I don't think everything will be fine if Clemens starts, but I'm convinced now that Chad will/can not be our starting QB for the foreseeable future. We need to find out whether or not Clemens can be, if not they need to develop a plan to get a new guy in here. Waiting until next year to see if Clemens has the goods, just wastes another year if he does not...
Is Mangini blind? Can he not see how chad's play is limiting and hurting this team? I mean come on, he's lost the game 2 wks in a row now! If not for chad, we may be 3-2 right now!
Clemens isn't coming in until we know the season is over for sure. Looking at the schedule before the year, 4-12 didn't seem that ludicrous regardless of our record last year. The team this year isn't good. I wouldn't mind the high draft pick, but we definitely need to see what Clemens has in order to evaluate whether we're gonna need a quarterback or not.
That's just plain incorrect..... Chad is not the QB going into the future... There may be a few fools who will call for his return when/if Clemens struggles, but those people don't understand the game of football... Once Clemens is in, he's in for good... Mangini is really starting to bother me... How the hell are we ever going to know what we have in Clemens, if Mangini won't take Chad's junk out of his mouth and bench the guy?
Well all I can say is that, at 1-4 it is still possible to grab a wildcard spot, but the chances are next to 0, especially seeing as how we aren't getting somebody back who has missed the first 5 games that is important to team success, like say if Peyton Manning missed the first 5 of Idny's season chances are they are 1-4,2-3 ish, so upon his return they still have a shot. We on the other hand, do not have a real shot. So I say if we are 1-5 after next week, KC has got to start from then on. We need to see what he has, we need to know, as well as the coaches whether KC has the goods to be our Franchise QB, if he can't be then we need to know so that when we have a high pick this April, we know we have to take a QB if at all possible.
There is little doubt CP will be replaced, so the Jets will get a look at KC. The thing is, it would be nice to know what Mangini and Schott are thinking, are they getting KC ready for when the bye week comes around so he can be successful, do they know something all of us do not. KC is a young player, maybe they know with the state of this team, KC's confidence would just get crushed and for a young player once you lose confidence, game over, for any athlete for that matter. I just feel bad for CP, Mangini should let him go out with some dignity, the next few home games the crowd is going to be all over him. All around this is one phucked up situation.
At this stage...regardless of whether KC is a true franchise QB or not...starting him is the best bet for this team.. why? 2 Reasons... 1. He gives us a better chance to win right now due to superior arm strength and the fact that defense's dont have enough film on him to effectively game plan. 2. We will find out once and for all if he is the future at QB or whether we need to start taking a look at Andre Woodson. Why Mangini is not realizing this..I'm not sure. But watch how fast he gets run out of town if he doesnt make a change soon.
You hit the nail on the head. THis season is done. We need to see what Clemens has. If he's not the guy, we need to address QB THIS offseason, not next. How friggin patient are we supposed to be?
I'm amazed that there are still (a few) people who think that Pennington should still be starting, and even more amazed that the reasoning used is that the team stinks anyway, so his failures are not his fault. That's exactly the point - the Jets lose nothing in terms of playoff chances by starting Clemens, since they're going nowhere anyway. It's all very nice to say that the team will be better under Clemens because he can make throws Pennington can't, but that's pure speculation, and besides the point - the real issue is that it would be an absolute disaster to go into the offseason not knowing if Clemens is any good or not. I also agree with others that this decision is not doing Pennington any favors, since the mood at the Meadowlands is going to get very ugly if he starts and continues to struggle. I cannot see the slightest advantage to waiting until the bye week to pull him, and I find Mangini's handling of this completely mystifying.
There are still a group of people who believe we are still a 10 win team, and who also are content w/ being a wild card 1 game exit on a yearly basis. Those people refuse to give up on Chad. Unfortunately, they're currently going through a very rude awakening.
my patience is definitely thinning at this point. i've relentlessly defended a lot of Mangini's decisions and style, and i think he is the answer for us, but he's really testing the fans on this one; unless of course, a majority of the fans out there are Juncs.
Lovie Smith said basically the same thing in Chicago. "Rex Grossman is a our quarterback." By the end of the week, he was saying: "Brian Griese is a our quarterback"
BAsed on the soundbyte of it I heard on the radio, Manginis voice while saying it does not inspire confidence. It's kind of a cross between Christopher Reeve and Truman Capote.
Yep he stuck with Rexxy for an entire year and 3 games. Coaches are very reluctant to make QB changes mid season, but sometimes you have no choice. Are we in the no choice zone, not yet, but its damn close. Couple more losses should make this clear.
the difference is the Jets wouldn't be tanking the season by benching Chad -- this is already a 4 loss team. but they are tanking it by playing him. huge difference between this years Jets and last years Broncos.
why wait for a few more inevitable losses to make the right decision. that's bad coaching. wait until the season is officially over before putting the team in a better position to win.
The thing I liked about Mangini when he started was having competition for places, the whole 'The best player will start' mentality. Like so many other coaches/managers that I've seen in sports he's fallen very quickly into the favoritism trap, which is getting too attached to certain players. I've never seen the point in blaming a player, Chad is going to try his best no matter what for as long as he's the starter. Sadly this isn't good enough anymore, which is the fault of Mangini who has a player in Clemens who can get the best out of the Jets Receivers, which is by far our best position.
