Inside Mangini's Mind...

In a way I sort of think it's a good thing he isn't bending under pressure. I know it may end up costing us this season... but if you want to take anything out of it is that we have a coach that is not emotional and makes his decisions based on what are supposed to be educated calculations.

As a fan, it is our very nature to be emotional and want change the second things start going wrong, but from Mangini's perspective, if he is ever going to get things to work the way he wants it, then he has to keep at it.

Also, when it comes to Chad... the one thing that everyone has to realize is that making a QB change is not a small thing... once Mangini makes the move to sit Chad down and start Clemens... there is no turning back. If for whatever reason Mangini feels that Kellen is not ready to be the starter, then honestly it would be the wrong move to make the change prematurely. He will take a ton of heat for not doing the popular thing, but it may not be in the best interest of the Jets and Kellen Clemens career to follow the emotional fan feelings.

 

but what are we gaining by playing Chad, or not playing Clemens? outside of his touted completion percentage, he has shown nothing except an inability to drive the offense downfield and score. there is something else going on in Mangini's head and it is far from making an emotional decision, unless by emotional you mean that he is afraid to risk playing a player that is an unknown.

I am certain that Mangini stuck with Chad because he was afraid to risk a few losses to break in a new QB, against beatable teams -- Miami, Buffalo and Giants. well, guess what, we didn't get a new QB any action, and still got hung with losses in 2 of the 3 games. he thought Chad could turn it around and get this team on a winning track, and by doing so he has almsot completely blown this season. that hardly seems worth it.

I am fairly certain the Jets could have gone 1-2 in the last 3 games with Clemens, and been better off for it going into game 6 and beyond. now, what is Mangini to do? he has to either risk a few more losses breaking in a new QB, ibut gain Clemens valuable experience that will serve him this year and beyond, or stick with Chad -- because he has won games in the past -- and hope he can play better, which will only finish the job he started ruining the season and not gain any future benefit.

it was apparent to a lot of people before the team was 1-4 that there were serious problems with this team, and that if changes were made maybe the season could be salvaged somewhat. it doesn't take a wise man who isn't led by his emotions to have to wait until the team is 1-4 to realize there is a problem, and that is the problem with Mangini.

sorry, at this point, if it takes an emotional decision for Mangini to realize Chad is a major part of the problem with the offense, he needs to be more emotional. because right now all I see is fear in his decisions.

 

No one knows what's going through his head. I certainly don't. You would hope that this week was enough convincing that he will pull the trigger... but again, we really don't know.

I'm glad that Mangini doesn't panic, but I tend to agree with you that enough is enough with Chad. Unless there is some surefire reason to NOT start Clemens, then I wish the move would be made.

 

that is the thing, I think keeping Chad in was panicing. he saw a team that wasn't moving the ball with a bad defense, and instead of being logical and concede a few losses but gain experience with a new QB, he hoped that what he had, which wasn't working, would play better than it had shown.

that is panicing in my book. so instead of conceding a few losses you know are coming with any new QB, he cost this team losses by sticking with an old one he knew couldn't move the ball but just hoped he would somehow miraculously be better.

was Bill Parcell's panicing last year when he benched Bledsoe for Tony Romo, or was it a calculated risk? trying to salvage this season with a underperforming QB was panicing IMO. obviously he did not want a losing season, but he had to be an idiot if he didn't see this coming withthe way the offense and defense has played from game 1. now, instead of a losing season he could brush off as a trial year for a new QB, he has a losing season that is a direct repercussion of his own coaching.

last year Mangini could be excused for making bad decisions, but he isn't a rookie anymore. now, bad decisions I think project onto his overall ability as a head coach.

 

I'm pretty sure that the Raiders and Browns are the laughing stock of the league...stop whining. Last season was awesome, but the schedule was weak. We're still rebuilding and I have faith that Mangini and Tannenbaum are building this team into a team that will, in a few more seasons, be able to contend for the Super Bowl, or at least a playoff spot...Give them another draft and free agent period and then start your complaining. This Patriots' Powerhouse is going to last but a few more seasons (3 or 4?), then this division is up for grabs. This organization is making the right moves. We might be taking a step back this season, but I think we'll be taking two steps forward next year with the added experience.

Look at the brightside of things...if we're as bad as everyone thinks we are, we'll get a top 10 pick and the chance to get a game-changing player. Also, we can get back into that mode of sneaking up on "good" teams and beating them.

 

The Jets are rebuilding, we aren't as good as many think we are because we won 10 games last year. I'm not saying a coach should be rigid and not change their plan but any good plan of action should not be abandoned at the first sign of adversity. Sometimes to get to a place you need to take your lumps.

I look at rebuilding a team a lot like investing in stocks. The goal is to buy low and sell high, most investors lack the fortitude to actually buy low and actually buy high because it takes courage to buy when people are selling and that's when prices are low. This team is loaded with stop gap and journeyman players on both sides of the ball. They will be replaced and the quality players will be trained to do their job even though they are failing right now. Once the talent is there things will improve dramatically, if we give up on the plan now for the benifit of the journeyman players on this team we might have a slightly better won lost record but ultimately when those players are replaced we will be further from our goal.

Until I see a lot better over all talent on this team, I'm sticking with the coach.

 

When the camera zoomed in on him near the end of the game he looked totatlly lost. He had a stone face and looked clueless. I was thinking at the time he may have been thinking "how long can I survive on my buyout money in case I get fired". He certainly didn't look like his mind was on football.

 

Winston, normally I'm inclined to agree with you, but lets face it, without extraordinarily poor QB play, and two more key missed FGs, we should be 3-2 right now, with a bunch of beatable teams on the schedule.

 

Yes we might be 3 and 2 with Clemens right now but anyone who thinks this is an elite team that even if they did back into a playoff spot would be more than 1 and done is nuts. I disagree with Mangini on not pulling the trigger with Clemens but I do believe he is a bright young coach and there aren't many of them in this league.

I'm not ready to give up on him because a team loaded with guys who need to be replaced and are being replaced isn't going to win the maximum amount of games they might if Clemens is a consitently better QB than Chad. Let's wait and see how they bring him along before we toss Mangini over board.

 

Is it possible that Mangini would never say he is making a change until the very last possible moment during the week of a game? I don't think he would let the cat out of the bag on a Monday. I think it would come on a Thursday or Friday to throw off the next oponant.

 

I know you are frustrated as we all are. I think us making the playoffs last year may have been more of a curse than a blessing. I think the CS had very high expectations for the team this year. Clearly, the team is not living up to them at all. I think we all are getting a dose of reality as to where this team is right now. We still lack talent; we are not there yet. I do think if we lose 2 more games in upcoming weeks Clemens will be the QB thereafter. That doesn't mean everything will be perfect; it will give Clemens some great experience to draw from next year. In the off-season coming up, I would trade Chad as long as the deal was reasonable - don't laugh, but Chad is worth more than a 5th or 4th round pick. Advance Tuia to the back-up role under Clemens and bring in a new #3. In 2 more years Chad's stock will go down immensely - this off-season is the one to trade him if the CS knows what they are doing.

 

I see it as a lack of courage.... The best coaches, like Belichick and Parcells are great at keeping their cool, and sticking to their ways, but are not too stubborn to make a change when it is needed...

It's almost embarrassing how Mangini seems content to continue playing teams and getting laughed off the field....

 

The game plans aren't being executed. That's the biggest problem. I don't really think that you can say that the coaching is bad, because in reality it may not be.

The real problem, as I see it, is the decisions made in the off season.

1) Mortgaging a draft on a couple of players
2) Ignoring problem areas (o line and especially, d line)
3) Failing to recognize potential weaknesses, such as the QB

 

The first thing everyone needs to realize is when mangini came here to rebuild this team...it was a 3-4 year project. Last year was a result of overachieving, a weak schedule and quality coaching. Anyone who didnt foresee bumps along the way, despite last season's success...was kidding themselves..

W/ that said, a change at QB needs to be made. The main reason for this, is not even to win football games, but rather to see what we have in a young QB w/ eyes to the future. I'm puzzled as to why Mangini hasnt made the move..but I think it's only a matter of time.

 

This team is being built for the future. This off-season will be a big big one. Players like Chad, Vilma, McCareins, Barton and Barrett on our their way out. Some will be traded for late round picks. An early draft pick will be traded down for more first round picks. Some big 3-4 personel free agents will be signed.

There was a reason to this off-season, get two KEY components to the defense and dont spend money in what was a very weak Free Agent year. Tangini is clearly thinking future which is what I love about them. Getting Revis and Harris was HUGE for the future of this defense.

Now with the right pieces and a good amount of money, with a lot of trade bait. Tangini should end up with a very good amount of draft picks, I am gonna guess somewhere in the 10-12 range. Seeing how Tangini has drafted the past two seasons the Jets can get a lot of playmakers out of next years draft. Sign a few big free agents like a Terrell Suggs.

Rebuilding takes 3-4 years. This off season is the big one. Next year this team will be very different and very competitive, year 4 will begin the future!

Youth

 

I hope you're right.