<<He took off the helmet for most of the 3rd quarter, wearing his Jet's cap instead. Then in the 4th quarter helmet back on and ball under his arm. It was disgraceful. Tuiasosopo clearly says something animated to him on the tape just before the Jets big rally and the next thing you see his helmet is back off and no ball in hand.>> Do you think coach told him be ready? They were down by 14 and Clemens hadn't done much until that point...
In the first quarter on the first play? It wasn't just the 4th quarter. He did that the entire game except for the 3rd quarter. And no, I don't think Mangini told him to get ready at any point. If he had then Chad would have been throwing the ball and warming up instead of standing with it under his arm. Steve McNair had his helmet off the entire time while the guy the Ravens drafted in the first round 4 years ago to be their QB played.
Strange.. maybe it had something to do with secrecy about the whole starting thing. I don't know. Doesn't sound very Chaddish.... Kellen said he was helpful during the game... but that could have been the right thing to say etc...
This is the biggest difference from the Hermie days. Back then, any player said anything he wanted at anytime to anybody. Mangini isn't having that on his team. We don't know what goes on behind the doors and I don't think we should know. Chad is human (despite what some around here think) and he's gotta realize his time is growing shorter by the day. 7 years without a helluva lot to show for it but regular season wins and PO disappointment not entirely his fault. Bottom line? The Pennington era is closing especially now with a bonifide successor that isn't the second coming of Browning Nagle. That's gotta be scaring the hell outta Chad's cult following.
Nope. Just because we appreciate the fact that Chad is a good QB, and has been a good player for us, doesn't mean we don't want the best team possible. And if at some point Clemens proves he's a better player, than he should play. It's funny that people claim that Chad is selfish for wanting to play hurt, and then they praise Steve McNair who has played hurt more than any QB in the league tons of times, not always effectively.
No way Chad beats Baltimore. He has proved over and over again how he struggles against really physical teams like Baltimore, Jacksonville and Chicago that can stuff the box and not be vulnerable man to man. It really is shocking that some fans REFUSE to acknowledge Chad's weaknesses. He has a lot of strengths too, but he has huge limiting weaknesses in his game that the Jets team at this point can not overcome. It's just amazing how the CHad crowd just will not admit his glaring weaknesses and how he limits this team. Instead they will constantly regurgitate 2002 (when he WAS a top tier QB, but he is not that player anymore) and the "Chad wins" argument which is totally facile and irrelevant. We need a QB that can WIN GAMES. And that is not Chad. Plus it is almost inconceivable he will be with the team next year, unless you want the Jets to also give up on Kellen (which is idiotic)
This is correct. It's a bit confusing because Parcells went back and forth between Mirer and Lucas twice. Lucas's first start was week 6 against Indy and he lost a 13-0 lead, losing 16-13. That caused Parcells to start Mirer the following week against Oakland and he lost a 20-3 lead, losing 24-23. Parcells gave him one more week, a 12-7 victory against Arizona, and then put Lucas in for good against New England the following week. Lucas went 6-2 down the stretch and the Jet's disaster of a season became just a disappointment. Parcells took Lucas out to give him two weeks of really intensive coaching after he spotted flaws during the Indy game. He left Mirer in for Arizona even after the huge blown lead against Oakland because he did not want to stop and start with Lucas again. Lucas was going to be the guy for the year but only when he was fully ready. I still think Parcells recovery that season was among the most amazing coaching jobs in NFL history. He had totally blown a super bowl shot by not providing adequate backup for Vinny and then getting very unlucky with the injury, however unlike Herm he didn't sulk. He just went out and found an answer to keep the ship floating. 6-2 down the stretch with a small-time college QB converted to special teamer and then miraculously resurrected as a winning NFL QB, that's probably never happened before in the NFL and likely will never happen again.
Lucas did get injured at the very end of the game against the Colts. I had thought that was the reason Mirer started the following week. Maybe I'm incorrect.
he had to earn it back w/ incentives which he hit and as long as he hit them his deal was very fair to both sides. I don't ignore that, it has beena big problem but he made through all 16 last year andlet'ss ee how many he makes it through this year. he had some fluky injuies early on maybe he's passed them? We'll see. if he goes down for good int he coming weeks then I agree it's time to start the Clemens era. But he has shown ability to beat teams w/ that type of D. First off bal played lousy D on Sunday, secondly Chad has beaten top Ds but, like most QBs, his success goes down the tougher the D gets. Clemens had all day to throw on sunday, if Chad has that time w/ his smartsand experience he picks apart that D- he would not have been standing there for 5-6 secs looking for someone to throw to. and you continue to ignore that he win % goes up alot when chad is playing in every year except '04 when Carter was 2-1 and beat 2 of the worst teams in the league. W/o Chad in '04 we don't make the playoffs. if Chad doesn't get hurt we probably win 12 games that year. w/o Chad in '02 we don't make the playoffs, w/o Chad in '06 we don't make the playoffs. As a longtime jet fan you would think you'd know how difficult it is to make the postseason(especially now w/ only 2 WC teams and playing in a division w/ a dynasty team) and yet Chad has led us to postseason more than any other QB in Jets history. that does't mean anything to you? You guys amaze me. What exactly is so disgraceful about that? the guy was antsy, he is not used to being in pads and not playing. You are making a non-issue a big deal b/c you hate Chad. You think Tuiasosopo yelled at Chad and that's why he tookhis helme off?:drunk: He took a cut up front(something alot of players wouldn't have done) and the jets reworked his deal putting in incentives where he could earn that money back and he did that. We don't think he's another Nagle but how can yo say he's not after just 1 game when in Nagles first start he posted even BETTER #s and lost in a similar fashion? The same people that get on Chad about playing hurt ran John Abraham out of town for not playing hurt enough. if Chad had the time that Clemens had we easily would have won that game. Chad elevates this team, he does not limit. yeah he has limitations but nothing that holds us back. it's a fact, we are worse w/o Chad. You say you need a QB that can win games and that's all Chad does while Clemens cost us a win in his 1st start. The CS will know when Clemens is ready, at that time amove will be made. it's not that time yet. Good catch, I don't know how I missed that mistake. Like when herm sulked in 2002 after we started 2-5? oh wait we won the division that year. It was health related.
I have been an on again off again fan with Chad. Right now I have no opinion at all because QB is not even close to being the problem with this team. However, a lot of people say the Jets never won anything with him and what instantly comes to mind is two missed field goals against Pittsburgh which kept us from the championship game and probably the super bowl that year. No one can blame Chad for that. Of course we have no idea what kind of film NE may have had on us at that time which would preclude a win. It is interesting how they played like crap in the first half and dominated the second half of that game against Indy. :rofl:
The Jets were going to go into Foxboro and beat the Pats after losing to New England twice during the regular season and scoring just 14 points in the two losses?
Why not? Isn't that the year they beat SD twice who probably had the best team in the AFC that year. As that game turned out, there was a snowstorm which would have decidedly aided the Jets with their dink and dunk passing and running games.
I do not know what game you were watching but Kellen did not have "all day". In fact, the reason the protection seemed better in the 4th was largely due to Kellen's presence and movement in the pocket. Chad, especially with his ankle, would have been a sitting duck and there is no way we compete in that game with Chad. I just do not see how you can look at that game and think Chad would have fared better. It is Chad-first homerism at its best. Chad does not elevate the Jets team. He keeps them level at best. And he SEVERELY limits the Jets team. Chad cannot stetch the field. So opposing teams stuff the box, play tight to the line and do not have to worry about the deep ball. Chad simply does not have the ability to conistently run a 2 minute drill or comeback when we are behind. Because our passing game is so limited with Chad, and the box is stuffed, it is Chad's limitations that cause omany of our running woes. There is simply too many defensive players to block on runninf downs, and middle safety blitzes work easily as well for runs and passes. With Kellen, he has shown the ability to throw over the top of the safeties and to get the ball to the receivers before the safety can make the play (this is the REAL advantage of a big arm) So when defenses play us, now they have to keep the safeties deeper even on teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh that have elite rover type safeties. With the safeties off the line, there are more running lanes and less opportunities to blitz. Even when they do blitz they have to respect Kellens release so they still will not blitz both safeties. Kellen opens the game up for us, and helps the run, the pass and the two minute drill. Chad limits us in all these areas. It is just true. Now Chad was not always as limiting as his is now. In fact, there was a time that Chad wasamong the very best at the deep pass. He was never strong at the deep out, but his deep play ability and accuracy kept defenses more in check. By design of Hackett and Herm, Chad threw mostly dinks and dunks, even when he had the ability to do more. He became extremely good at it. Now, a couple surgeries later, dinks and dunks is all Chad can do. He is still very good at it. And when it works, usually against poorer teams, it chews up clock, leads to a lot of scores and allows a fresh defense, lack of penalties and special teams to win the game. Now however, teams know that the dink and dunk is not a strategy, they know it is all we can do. They need not show any resepect to the deep out or the long pass. Even when we try one, it is almost always an underthrown floater to McCairens that only needs single coverage to defend. So they crowd the box, take away our running game and force us to be perfect in the dink and dunk. Amazingly, to Chad's credit sometimes he actually is perfect still. What Chad accomplished in the past is irrelevant. Especially 2002 and before his injuries. He is not that player anymore and never will be. Kellen does not cripple the offense with his abilities. No one is saying it will be totally smooth sailing with Kellen at QB, but with him we have so many more options on offense, and that gives us a better chance to win. It is amazing to me that people who watch all the Jets fans do not se this. And Mangini starting Chad, if he does, does not necessarily show that Mangini still thinks Chad is the best option. CHad is captain, and veteran players can oftentimes react very poorly to the transition to the young guy. Mangini has to do the transition in a way that has the buy in of all the veteran players.
I think the only Veteran Player that would complain would be Coles. Cotchery would become the # 1 target like he did last week because he is the best receiver on the team and not Chad's best Friend and Baker would actually have the ball thrown to him. It took Clemens one game to figure out there is actually a tight end to throw to. The running lanes freed up would sell itself to Jones and Leon and it would take pressure off the defense knowing they don't have to hold opposing teams to 14 points or less every week. Chad and Coles are the only two Vets that would complain and they are on borrowed time anyway so who cares. The young guys that will be here when we are championship ready would benefit the most anyway. The problem is the impatient fans with #10 Jerseys in the stand that would start b**ching if we didn't get our annual one and done playoff appearance.
I can't agreee with that point at all. While Cotch put up a lot more yards, he only caught one more pass than Coles. Coles Week1 vs week 2: Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng 7 59 59.0 8.4 17 6 57 57.0 9.5 24 Cotch: Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng 6 57 57.0 9.5 11 7 165 165.0 23.6 50 Not all that Much different. Anyone who watched the Game knows the biggest difference in Yards for Cotch in week two was the YAC. Coles had a shot at getting his 3rd TD of the season, but was unable to come up with a hard catch on the goaline. If anything KC spread the ball around as much as Chad, but was let down a few times by J-mac. We could have easily had 3 WR's with 4 or more receptions last week.
Once Clemens comes in we will see who is the best Wr on this team. Your right about Clemens spreading the ball around and that is a good thing. Hopefully he can spread it around more at some point this year. The most impressive thing is he found Baker. We have a tight end that is not utilized!
We do need to go to Baker more. He has sure hands and is a big target. I can't see why he's not a bigger part of the offense. I'm not sure Cotch is better than Coles, but they are on the same level IMO. Both are very good, very fast, hard working guys. I loved how Coles was sprinting downfield to help block for cotch on one of his long YAC plays. Thats a real teamate right there.
I love the tandem of Coles and Cotch but I think they can really do much more if Clemens was in there.
He's being used as a blocker on most plays and for good reason. To free him up as a receiver the Jets would either need to find a very good blocking FB to pass-block or go with a two tightend set. Neither option looks that promising right now. Cotchery is a superstar in the making. Coles has always been a star. I look at Cotchery and his ability to get the ball in traffic and break tackles and I'm not sure I've seen anybody quite like him in a long time. Cris Carter might be the closest real comparison. If Cotchery had 4.4 speed he'd be in Jerry Rice and Marvin Harrison territory as a potential threat.
