http://origin.newyorkjets.com/coaches/tony-wise?return_to_controller=coaches&return_to_action=index It's time for the Jets to start correcting problems that are glaringly obvious. One thing that is obvious is that our offensive line is being coached by a complete tool! From the two games we have watched so far, what we have seen out of the offensive line is no push, no reaching the second level, no opening of holes, no picking up blitzes... just complete and total meltdown. D'Brickashaw looks like garbage, which normally would be worrisome from a #4 overall pick. However, I don't think this is the problem, because not only does D'Brickashaw look like garbage, but so does Clarke, Mangold, Moore, and Clement. The Jets clearly have o-line issues... but do you really think each and every one of these guys are THAT bad? What we have seen is D'Brickashawn and Mangold regress since their rookie seasons. We have seen our offensive line get torn to shreds and our quarterbacks take the punishment for it. We have seen Thomas Jones attempt to get started and go absolutely NOWHERE (I bet he's happy now that he got traded to the Jets). The fact is, all of these guys are a group are not THAT bad. We need upgrades definitely, but the unit is serviceable at worst. Right now they are not playing on a serviceable level, they are playing like a JV High School team against the Varsity team. They look like boys playing against men. Tony Wise was responsible for an awful Miami Dolphins offensive line before coming to the Jets. His career has been dismal, with little in the way of results. This was one of the not so great hirings by the New York Jets, and the problem needs to be corrected. Time to fire this boob, and hire someone who can come in here and coach these kids up and get the best out of them. After all, if the Jets hope to salvage this season in any way, we will need the absolute very best out of what we currently have on the o-line to get there.
I'm sorry, I dont understand the criticisms for D'brickashaw. Please give examples beyond the running play against Ngota of him not doing his job.
There has got to be someone out there who can do a better job than this guy has done. The fact is, Wise is not coming up with gameplans... he is teaching technique to these plays, and doing a very poor job of it. Even if we end up with somebody just as bad as Wise for the remainder of this season, the very fact that the Jets made the change midseason would make a statement that they don't accept such low standards, especially from such a critical position.
Go back to the Patriots game, D'Brick was getting blown off the line of scrimmage and he allowed at least 2 sacks to Pennington, including the one that got him injured. Yesterday against the Ravens, Suggs was having his way anytime he came around the corner or cut inside against D'Brick. He just looks poor. I don't attribute this to D'Brick being bad, I attribute it to poor coaching. And this isn't about D'Brick, he is just an example. It's about the entire line.
Brick played well the entire first half against the Pats, and things didnt fall apart until the second half when we got down by 2+ TD's and had to throw on everydown w/ a QB who can only throw 8-10 yards downfield. He played very well against the Ravens, and Suggs did NOT have his way w/ Brick. Brick did not give up any sacks and recieved no help from Te's, Rb's or clarke. Watch the tape.
Again, this is NOT about D'Brick. D'Brick is 1/5 of the problem. Defend him all you want, but if you would disagree that the offensive line play as a whole has been MISERABLE, then you are blind. Please explain why our running game has been so bad? Why our quarterbacks have spent more time eating dirt or running for their lives than they have spent scanning the field for open targets? Why is that other than in the 4th quarter of yesterdays game that the offense in general has been shit? It's because the offensive line has been shit, and further, while I agree there is a lack of talent on the line, I think it goes beyond that. It is the coaching. The coaching needs to be fixed. Once the coaching is fixed, then so will all 5 of our linemen. Our offensive line CAN play better, we need a coach who will help them play better. This isn't a D'Brickashaw problem, it is a Tony Wise problem.
to tell you the truth I was actually encouraged on sunday with the oline for the first time this year. On numerous plays in the second half of the game they were making some decent blocks and giving Kellen decent amounts of time. In fact Kellen I felt held on to the ball a bit to long on many plays until the last 7 minutes of the game. Moore had a REALLY nice block that allowed a play to take place if I remember correctly. And I also was watching the pocket move and keep its form against some really complicated blitz packages in the fourth. Granted some got through but the majority in the fourth and some of the third quarters were handled well. All in all, they gave up some sacks in the first half. But after the half time adjustments were made I thought they started to improve significantly.
Oh the Ol needs alot of work. But if you didnt think having an OL w/ 2 second year players, a 3rd year player w/ limited starting experience and 2 fringe journeyman, starting together, wouldnt struggle...I'm not sure what you were expecting. This is gonna take time. As for Brick, I'm just alittle tired of everyone blaming all the OL problems on him..b/c for the most part..he has played very well and has been a lone bright spot.
The fact is the o-line wasn't this horrible last year, and if anything D'Brick and Mangold both should've improved from last year to this. Losing Kendall hurt, but Clarke is not the lone culprit on the line. I have no doubt in my mind that D'Brick and Mangold are going to have great careers, and so will the other o-linemen not yet on this roster. The first step towards having those great careers is to get them a capable teacher.
I think it's stating the obvious that the offensive line is underperforming their talent. The problem is that their talent in not NFL starting caliber either. You can't make pancakes with poop.
That doesn't explain why the same offensive line has lowered it's performance from last season. No question that Clarke is a downgrade from Kendall, but that downgrade is not enough to turn our entire line of turds into diahrea. The coaches are not providing enough technique to satiate their fiber needs.
I seriously think it has to do with technique and schemes....and that comes from coaching, I agree if thing's don't get better. We should replace him next offseason
The problem is that Brick is a below average run blocker, Clarke and Moore are decent complimentary linemen on a good line, but on a line like this one, they don't help much. Clement is a backup on most teams. Mangold is the only one who can block the run well. Clement, Clarke, Brick, and Moore are average at BEST against the run. The pass blocking early on was poor, but it got better as KC was able to recognize that and get passes off more quickly, and the line improved as well. I don't know if the coach is the problem or not, but it doesn't seem like he's helping much, especially considering people hated him at his last job.
The Kendall to Clarke transition could very easily be most of the story on the lack of pass protection. On the run side I agree with you. Kendall wasn't getting any more push at LG than Clarke seems to be this year. Technique is a subjective issue. In some blocking schemes it's all technique, like the Broncos zone-blocking scheme and the Colts trapping flexible pocket. The Jets really just have bad offensive linemen right now. If they can't handle a rusher or run defender one on one then what chance do they have to handle the overload that good defenses present?
I actually thought that D'Brick had an awesome game yesterday. I remember seeing a couple of plays where he took on 2 rushers and held his own....the Ravens were blitzing 3 or 4 around the corners.....there's only so much the guy can do. I was impressed with how much he had to do....I can't imagine how exhausting that is.
We just played 2 of the toughest defenses in the league. You have to give them abit of slack for that. But I do agree that Wise has had a history of crappy lines but its too late for that.
Good luck, Kurt. I've tried explaining the same thing all day. Rewound every line breakdown yesterday and Brick had one breakdown on a speed rush outside and missed a block inside because he had to drop back to help Clarke, who WAS getting manhandled. Other than that, you can hardly fault him.
Now, for the real issue at hand: Absolutely right about Wise. He's done a terrible job of teaching technique. Half the time, it appears that 3/5 of the linemen don't know their assignments. I've noticed this especially on the right side during pass coverage. During one play, Clement turned out to block absolutely nobody and a linebacker rushed through the gaping hole for the hit. It's embarrassing.
