It seems that Ben Watson was playing only a hanful of plays and that Ryan O'Callaghan the Pats backup tackle was eligible 85% of the game to pick up our weak blitz.... O'Callaghan was in a major portion of the game picking up the Blitz from both sides as they shifted him around..... this is getting ridiuculous...Goodell needs to set an example!!!
I found it very interesting that their OT reported as eligible for so many plays. After a while I actually felt bad for the guy and hoped that they would throw a pass his way. It was a running joke in our section everytime the guy's name was announced!
I am trying not to read into this so much but one thing kept bugging me, even from last year, how the hell can they perfectly block ALL of our blitzes? I mean look around the league, yeah on some plays blitzes are picked up and you get screwed but in some cases they work, in our case ever since we surprised them in NE with our blitzing, it has not worked since. I mean I think we touched Brady once last game. I know they are good and have a crap load of talent, but come on we seem like a pop warner team against them the last few games. I guess if they know whats coming its easy to adjust.
I was watching the game and was thinking the same thing...Nobody broke thru the Oline at all and i thinking to myself "wow they're oline is great" now we know why...
Supposedly according to Cimini's blog, is they caught the guy Estrella in the tunnel before the second half. It's unkown whether they had did anything with what they taped. But this is Cimini and I don't trust this ass of a reporter. I don't have a link: Mangini apparently knew about the video tactics from his days as a Pats assistant, but Sunday was the first time Jets security caught New England with its hand in the cookie jar. What do you think? Join the discussion Read Rich Cimini's The Jets Stream Armed with counter-intelligence from Eric Mangini, the Jets apparently have succeeded in busting the Patriots' spy ring. A former assistant under Bill Belichick, Mangini arrived in New York last year with an insider's knowledge of the Patriots' sign-stealing surveillance tactics and he shared the dirty little secret with members of the Jets' organization, a person with knowledge of the matter informed the Daily News yesterday. It wasn't until the fifth Mangini-Belichick showdown - last Sunday - that the Jets were able to catch the Patriots. Tipped off by Jets security, an NFL security official confiscated a video camera and tape from a Patriots employee at the Meadowlands, and the evidence is believed to be damning. Commissioner Roger Goodell hasn't made a final decision, according to a high-level source, but he wants to resolve the issue ASAP. A league spokesman refuted an ESPN report last night that said Goodell already has determined that the Patriots violated league rules. An announcement could be made by the end of the week. The Patriots, who will have a chance to present their side to Goodell by Friday, could be stripped of multiple draft choices and/or fined heavily. Matt Estrella, 26, a Patriots video assistant, was nabbed just before halftime of the Jets' 38-14 loss on opening day. He allegedly videotaped hand signals from the Jets' defensive coaches on the sideline, defying an edict from Goodell, who warned teams before the season that he wouldn't tolerate cheating. Several teams have suspected the Patriots of stealing signs. So did the Jets, thanks to Mangini. "(The Jets) knew they did it," the person with knowledge of the situation said in an e-mail to the Daily News. "They caught the guy a year ago, but couldn't do anything about it. When Eric came, he said that's what they used to do. Bill is going to be (ticked) at Eric. He kissed and told." Mangini, hired last year by the Jets, coached under Belichick from 2000 to 2005 in New England. Their once-close relationship has frayed, and this latest chapter in the Border War has raised the hostility to all-time levels. New details came to light yesterday. The cameraman, wearing a team polo shirt under the league-mandated sideline photographer's vest, was stopped by security as he tried to enter the New England locker room before halftime, sources said. An animated discussion ensued, involving league security, Jets security and Patriots security. The dispute, which occurred in the bowels of the stadium, lasted more than an hour, virtually the entire second half. At one point, it became so heated that New Jersey state troopers were summoned as a precaution, a source said. The Jets apparently were trying to confiscate the videotape, which wound up in the possession of NFL security. The tape was placed in a box, sealed and forwarded to the league. "He looked scared to death," one source said of Estrella. It's unclear if the Patriots had a chance to review the tape before it was seized, raising the question of whether it helped them in the game. They certainly played like they knew the Jets' strategy. In the second half, Tom Brady completed 10 of 11 passes for 138 yards and a touchdown. "He seemed like he knew what we were doing," safety Kerry Rhodes said. No video recording devices of any kind are permitted on the field, in the locker room or in the coaches' booth during a game, according to league rules. Patriots owner Robert Kraft said yesterday it would be inappropriate to comment directly on the accusations, but he hinted that the Jets' actions may have stemmed from being envious of his team's success. "When you're successful in anything, a lot of people like to try to take you down and do different things," he told reporters at a charity appearance. "We understand that." The Jets have declined comment, saying it's a league matter. Belichick, addressing the situation for the first time late Monday on his Boston radio show, acknowledged he was aware of the incident at the game. Beyond that, he provided little insight, saying, "It's a league thing. Whatever the deal is, which I don't even know the details of, a lot of it, we'll comply." This isn't the first time the Jets and Patriots have accused each other of wrongdoing. A year ago, the Patriots filed tampering charges against the Jets, claiming they conducted improper discussions with Deion Branch when the wide receiver was given permission to seek a trade. After an intensive, four-month investigation, the Jets were exonerated. Patriots bashing apparently has become popular. Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson, who questioned Belichick's integrity after a playoff loss last January, said Monday he wasn't surprised by Spy Gate. "I think the Patriots actually live by the saying, 'If you're not cheating, you're not trying,'" he told reporters in San Diego. The Chargers and Patriots meet this Sunday. PATRIOT GAMES According to a former coach, this is likely how and why the Patriots stole the Jets defensive signals: The person with the camera, in this case, Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella, would tape the coach's hand signals as he sends the defense in. Then the camera person would verbally call out down and distance so the recorder's microphone would pick it up. Then when the tape is analyzed, the hand signals are matched up to down and distance and defensive scheme. "They would have it all chronicled such as: 4-3 even defense, cover 2, hand to the belt, index finger up," the coach said. "Now if you had a sharp guy in the huddle who was in for every play, you would teach him the signals and he would look over to the sidelines and steal the signals and tell the quarterback." __________________
It was so frustrating to see us brining the house and never getting ANY pressure whatsoever. Go back to last years playoff game, same thing happened. I wonder how long this has been going on and how many other teams (Packers) failed to report it cause they would look like sore losers and I read this from the Pats president which pissed me off cause they were found guilty: I have no respect for the Pats anymore, no one knows the true extent of this, poor Colts losing to the Pats all these years?? Oh and also:
Well, two things stick out to me. First Belly being mad at Mangini for knowing and revealing his tactics last year. Remember the press said it was because he tried to take coaches with him. Was Mangini the guy who did this for him back in the day with Cleveland and NYJ (when Belly was d coordinator)? Then Robert Kraft backs up the impression that the patriots are just too arrogent for their own good by saying that "when you are successful people try to take you down". That is the type of attitude that allows you to get caught. This is also the type of statement that Richard Nixon made during watergate.
No wonder Brady never looks horrible! and they win wit a bunch of scrubs....investigate super bowls where's congress when u need'em...lol
His team is caught with his hand in the cookie jar and he blames the team who caught him... Un fucking real!!! It's like he's saying they deserve to cheat because they're the Patriots to hell with fairness... douche bag should have his team contracted...
Fine them for ignoring the first warning. Take their first day draft picks and suspend whomever they can prove was involved for this infraction and if they get caught again the team should be deemed bowl ineligible. It's not like baseball where you can cover up your signs, your out there in the open and need to have gamemanship in order to protect them. Robert Kraft, more like Krafty. He makes Al Davis look like a saint.
so the guy is taping the signals on analog tape. spends the entire second half in a room with nfl security where the tape is locked away. how does this give the pats an advantage for this game ? nobody got a chance to review the tape and Im sure the signals were being changed constantly if mangini new what the pats were doing. So bottom line is the tape didnt make one difference in this game and the jets are just that bad
It's possible the camera was also outfitted with a wireless feed to the coaches box, which would work in realtime. This might explain the "extra radio frequencies" the media has been talking about. If this is the case, we have a huge indictment here. Just watched the replay of Moss big TD. The Pats OL swung out right even before our D blitzed left. Just like they knew what our call was.
"When you're successful in anything, a lot of people like to try to take you down and do different things," Kraft told reporters at a charity appearance. "We understand that." Robert Kraft has always been a sleazy scumbag, but turning this situation around this way instead of owning up to it or at least saying "We'll look into it," only confirms my opinion of this arrogant POS.
I think you grasping at straws here. if ther ewas a wireless device dont you think that would have been confiscated to. Is the possibility of this just not being a very good team that hard to take
I think the Jets should file a request to have their middle linbacker be able to wear a radio helmet; just like the QB. This would eliminate the need for signals. God, I hate the patriots passionately.
I think that has to be agreed for he entire league in the offseason.....The Pats were the ones who voted "NO" couple of years back.....now we know why. I remember hearing this from ESPN last night....
It's possible the Patriots used two different surveillance techniques.... the video and an interception of the conversations between Mangini and his OC and DCs. I agree, if something comes of the "unidentified radio frequencies" this thing could really blow up big time.
Bottom line is the tape had no bearing on this game at all. the pats wouldnt have used the tape until going over the game film on monday. then they would match both tapes together, but by the next game the signals would have been changed anyway
