No, it's not right to cheer an injury to a guy like Pennington. That's not even worth debating. What is worth debating is that the Jets will never get to the next level with Pennington at QB. Maybe he was the best player for the Jets on Sunday - and maybe it was not his fault the rest of the team looked so bad. Or, maybe to some extent his lack of the deep ball is part of the problem? I think it is... ...How many articles have you seen recently - from Jay Mohr or Don Banks (one a Jet fan and one a Jet hater) - and even Peter King comments - about the fact that although everyone respects Chad Pennington for his comeback and his toughness and his brains et al.---and yet all of them agree that without the ability to throw deep, the Jets will not make it to the next level no matter what Man-genius does. I listened to Me-Shawn's selfish and negative comments about Chad on ESPN - (poor baby got traded so he's dissing the Jets and Pennington) but you have to admit he had a point when he said "Pennington can't make the throws necessary of an NFL Quarterback." He's 100% right - the guy just can't PHYSICALLY do it. I applaud his courage and resiliency - his temperment and leadership - his intelligence and work ethic. Rarely in my life have I seen an NFL Player with these qualities in the quantity of a Chad Pennington. That does not mean I am willing to lose and not advance because of him. The fact is this - the NY Jets will never reach the next level as long as Chad Pennington is the starting quarterback - PERIOD! He cannot do what needs to be done physically for the whole season and for any extended period...and the rest of the NFL has figured that out. The result is that other teams can "cheat" on the Jets, and lay off the deep threat and concentrate on a limited portion of the field - and what helps defenses more than limiting the field of play? In order to be successful, Chad needs to be perfect week in and week out, game in and game out, series in and series out - and that's not realistic. Look, I'm hoping his ankle is ok - but it is time - regardless of the opponent or the injury issue or anything else, to hand the reigns to Clemens and see if he can be the man - or if the Jets need to get a quarterback in the offseason. Going 10-6 with Pennington this year accomplishes nothing but retarding the opportunity of Clemens to show what he can do, and holding the franchise back. The Kellen Clemens era has arrived, and it needs to be now...
The Jets scored 2 touchdowns against one of the best teams in the league. The Jets had 0 turnovers. The Jets time of possession was 27 minutes. If Chad through the ball deep, chances are the Jets time of possession would be less than 27 minutes. Which means the Jets defense would have been on the field longer, and the Patriots would have been able to score even more points.
OMG, without a qulaity O-line and no D pass rush we can pick up Peyton on FA and still get no where. It has nothing to do with Chad P. If Brady has all kinds of time in the pocket he will eat you alive every time; plus he has a better receiving corps this year. We probably just played the most viable SB contender of all the NFL teams in our first game and these are the threads that get produced????????? These threads are irritating to say the least.
It is quite unbelievable that even as the guy goes out and out performs the team itself, people will continue to attack him. Utter foolishness. That is what it is. Like somehow if Pennington were heaving 40-50 yard bombs every other pass then we would somehow have been able to win this game. Get a freaking clue people. How can you even expect a deep threat WR to make it downfield before the QB is swallowed up by the defense? We have so many more problems than the position at QB it isn't even funny, yet in every review of the game someone can point some moronic finger at Chad.
Come ON!!!! Jeez who the hell is talking about THE NEXT LEVEL??!?! He played the best on our team, we're not going to get to THE NEXT LEVEL with any quarterback on this current team......
Jets will never win a SB with the D they have now, that is the only fact we know today. There is not one QB in NFL history that can win a SB with this D or OL for that matter.
Every player in the nfl can be bashed. no one is perfect. I have seen teams with far less in QB quality get to the super bowl. Perhaps I'm the only one old enough to remember Joe Kapp. Surely others remember Rob Johnson and trent Dilfer. Chad is good enough to get the jets to the superbowl. So what! Did anyone see anything that leads you to believe our offensive or defensive lines can enable the team to go far? Did you see a sparkling running game? Elway played on bad teams and came away with bad won/loss record. I don't know if our team is bad, it is certainly not good. Probably the "average", which means somewher around 8 wins, give or take. What i don't see is real hope over the next 2-3 years. Our drafting philosophy is not to go for the playmaker, but to establish supremacy in the trenches. can't quarrel with the strategy, but when your picks turn out like ours, you wind up with no playmakers and average kind of trench warfare. Someone who is more inclined to do it than me should do recounting of the draft number of the lineman on the better teams and compare to ours. We have a 4 on D and a 4 and 29 on O. How does that compare? I guess I'm asking is the strategy correct, regardless of the quality of the picks?
Next level? Playoffs?! Don't talk about playoffs! Are you kidding me? Playoffs?! I'm just hoping we can win a game, another game! That was a horseshit performance, horse shit! We gave it away. We gave them the friggin' game. In my opinion, that sucked. ... We got our ass totally kicked. Holy crap. I don't know who the hell we think we are when we do something like that! We were terrible, absolutely terrible! It was an embarrassing, shameful coaching and playing by the New York Jets. I couldn't be more upset, and those players in there ought to be upset. I'm totally embarrassed, and I'm totally ashamed. We got our ass kicked the entire game. It sucked. It stunk. Cause they just blocked better, were more tougher, more physical, coached better, did everything better. We sucked!"
This crap is making me sick to my stomach. Pennington vs. Clemens is so far from our top 5 priorities at this point it is ridiculous. Until that line is at least serviceable I would rather just have Tui out there.
Joe Kapp was one tough QB. He came and went pretty fast, but for the year the Vikes won the SB; he was tough. I saw Kapp run around the right end on a QB planned call and Kapp completely upended a guy - he made the D pay.
Do you know what football is? I didnt think so. A post like this indicates brain damage on your part. Its not even worth wasting my time with a long response. I didnt know Chad was responsible for protecting hismelf from the pass rush and stopping the run and playing special teams and covering the other teams receivers. But hey, I would post a message likes urs too if i was high on drugs.
Guys, GG has a valid point. Chad does what he is physically capable of doing well. Nobody is saying that Chad sucks, because he clearly does not. However, he has physical limitations that affect the offense. It isn't even a point that can be argued. He is not physically capable of putting velocity on the ball. He cannot squeeze the ball into tight coverage. Yes, he throws a pretty meium range ball, but his deep shots are always underthrown. I love the guy and his moxie, but I think it's time to see what the kid can do.
our D sucks our OL is not that bad, you can't sit there in the pocket all day without getting it. Need to move around, but are D really SUCKS.
GG has been posting here for longer then me, and I can tell you he knows football. A differing opinion isn't wrong, just different.
But Kapp was probably an inferior qb to penny. And penny is tough. my point again is penny is good enough if the rest of the team were good enough. A great QB sure helps, but by itself is never sufficient-see marino or Elway on his poor teams.
I saw a handful of passes that were put on the money in tight places where they needed to be. And a deep passing threat is not going to make up for not having pass protection. Guys don't have time to run downfield to have anyone throw the ball deep, much less Chad.
GG your timing is less than perfect and the chad shiners have atacked with a vengeance...... couple things.... the boos were classless and ridiculous. period. we have been over the CP thing for a couple years at least and unfortunately it appears the QB position is not the only position that is going to prevent this team from competing in january with the AFC elite. we have a long way to go, more than i thought from the end of last year. jil
