To my eyes: ---KClemens has an average arm and good intangables. He does not have the look of a superstar in the making to me . Brick is good ,not dominating (Marvin Powell where are you?) Mangold is excellent. Looking back, the draft could have been---1a)Cutler,1b)Mangold, 2) Marcus Mcneill oh well=========
Disagree 100%. I know you may not think so now, but I think Brick at 4 is better than Cutler at 50. Yes, that's how much of a bust I think he will be. Yes, he can throw the ball 100 yds in the air.. yay... doesn't help play QB.
I have no regrets about taking Ferguson at 4, but I must disagree with JetsIn2004 about Cutler. He's gonna be a good one.
its really not an issue of cutler OR fergie at #4...... the issue is did the jets get the talent and impact of a #4 pick. fergie was the safe, conservative pick that anyone living in a cave for 3 months prior to that draft could have filled out the card and handed it to the commish. the trick was evaluating cutler to see if he was worth a 4 OR worth a pick slightly lower than that (8-10) - with a top ten pick tackle staring at you on the board. its such tricky process but, IMO, i thought at the time the impact of cutler would be greater than the impact of brick. the perceived drop off of OL talent was minimum, if any. the "perceived" drop off in QB talent after getting past leinart was more. but there were some people that did not even include cutler in the 1st group. i give the broncs all the credit in the world for sifting thru the mess and getting their guy. sorry - but cutler is the real deal and he will be better than leinart, young and clemens. jil
Agreed Jil, but some folks refuse to critisize this FO/CS no matter what. They will defend passing on Cutler until the end of time if for no other reason, they feel a QB with a strong arm couldn't possibly be a successful QB. I imagine they feel better watching Ferg get turned or Chad put his floaties up. They rather wait on Clemens to blossom into the next Phil Simms. This FO/CS never intended to challenge Chad. Pat Ramsey? No Leinart? Cutler? Instead you pick Clemens knowing his development will take him past Chad's expiration date. There will never be any controvery of any kind for this CS. Not if Mangini can avoid it which he has done so far except for Kendall. Playing it safe doesn't always translate into SB no matter how many creampuff schedules and 10-6 seasons you ring up. Heaven forbid the Jets ever draft another strong armed QB. Folks still have BrowningNagleosis.
No because without Brick it wouldn't matter who was at QB, we'd have had a worse LT. You seem to be assuming that Cutler would have had the year he had last year if he was a Jet....and you're giving up on a guy during his second training camp, a guy that you somehow think isn't as good as he should be. Same goes for Marcus McNeill, you're assuming that he'd have done the exact same thing in a different situation, I don't know hoe familiar you are with sports in general, but I assume that since you're posting on a football message board you must be at least somewhat familiar with how team sports work, and therefore you should know that it doesn't work that way.
I think Cutler, with our WR's, would have had a great season. Watching how quickly he picked up Denver's system, displaced Jake Plummer and damn near got the Broncs into the PO's. Then again, the question would be this: Even if we drafted Cutler, would Mangini have played him or stayed with Chad no matter what?
What are you writing here? You think Mangini is as wimpy as Herman Edwards? That guy had no balls. He stayed with Testaverde even when he was sucking all over the place in 2001 and cost the Jets the division title. If Pennington sucks this year and he starts costing the Jets some wins, he will be replaced. Clemens' development will take him past Pennington's expiration date? What?Clemens could play right now if he's good. If he can't play right now, he's never going to be good. Look around the league. QBs rarely ever take years and years and years to develop. By their second season they should be able to play...or they just suck. The days of QBs sitting around for multiple seasons, like Ken Stabler and Jeff Hostetler, are pretty much over. The salary cap is a factor in that.
QFT.............. I absolutely love the lets drive in the Delorean with the Flux capacitor threads. You know why we refuse to criticize the FO on ridiculous threads like this is because everyone loves to go back in history cherry pick the best players after a year or two and complain we should have drafted so and so. Please Cutler at #4 was a huge reach. Who was a better more realistic pick there???????? Let me tell you nobody. V. Davis and Hawk were also reaches too with that pick. I know it could have been better............ Yeah well if I only had invested in Microsoft in 1986 or Cisco in 1991 or Best Buy in 1990. Give me a break.
I don't know what you were watching, but Cutler wasn't that good last year. He played as well as Jake Plummer did in 2006 and that's an actual fact. Now, does Cutler have ability? Yes. He may develop into a top QB in this league, but he simply wasn't all that good last year. Also, he was pathetic in the Week 17 game and was the main culprit in that loss.
when your in the #4 slot and your team has a major qb question mark, you have to take a chance and try to get that franchise qb,leinart,cutler or whoever. teams generally go nowhere without a franchise qb. new orleans anyone. the year prior, they were in the cellar. addition of brees and they superbowl threats. bengals without carson palmer= the basement of their division. bengals are a team mentioned as playoff caliber b/c they have a franchise qb. same can be said of the steeler's,S D, philly etc; etc; etc; any team with a franchise qb, has a chance. teams without a franchise qb=low level team. i think the jet's should have swung for the fence and tried to hit a home run(franchise qb). instead, they just tried to play it safe(clemens) and hit a single!!!!
