you know exactly what i meant by that. the only two or three guys out of that list that did not have an impact were sammy davis and asomougha. cromartie barely played in college. plus most of them werent even top 15 picks. you cant compare revis to jennings or some of the other 2nd round talents. compare him to the top 15 picks (guys without character issues, complete corners etc)
You made a statement that all 1st round picks in the last five years have been impact players and then now you are adding all sorts of caveats? Besides, even if you look at Top 15 CBs in the last 5 years less than 50% can be considered an "impact players" -- Newman, Trufant, Robinson -- that's it. Jammer, Hall, Rolle, Roger, Jones didn't even start all 16 games
No, no, he MEANT that only cornerbacks drafted with ODD NUMBERS are impact players! Don't you know how to read the fine print??
what does that have to do with anything? nowadays even nickel backs are considered starters, so just because a rookie CB did not start 16 full games it doesnt mean he was useless or not an impact player. using that logic i guess even kimo is considered an impact player because he sucked...uh i mean started for us. quentin jammer was an impact player. deangelo hall was. rogers was. jones was. and all the other players you left out. just because they didnt start 16 games in a row it doesnt mean they werent impact players.
Didn't read the entire thread, but someone brought up an interesting point. The 6th year on the contract could be there to help out with the cap situation down the road. There may be more then a few starters that would have the same contract year as Revis, which would make it harder to keep them. That 6th year could provide cap flexibility that will be needed to keep our units intact...especially if Revis is the real deal and commands a large contract.
Starting doesn't mean you are in impact player, but how many nickel backs are considered impact players. let's recap here you have gone from "All the 1st round CBs drafted in the last five years were impact players in their first season" to (paraphrasing) "all the Top 15 CBs drafted in the last five years were not useless and / or had an impact." Jammer only started 4 games his entire first season, Rolle only played in 6, Hall only played in 10, Jones was thought to be finally "coming around" as CB last season. Going back to your orignial point. If Revis is going to be an impact player from the time he steps on the field, why wouldn't you want the FO to lock him up for 6 years? On a related note, Revis as an unproven commodity would get more guaranteed money on a 6-year deal. How does that make Tannebaum a bad guy? Ultimately, I think he signs a 5-year deal, but I, like many others, think it is absurd to make such a big deal out of missing a few days of camp and to paint the FO as morons or unfair in this situation.
we're talking about rookies here, i hope you realize that at some point... yeah. its really ridiculous. lets wait another 4 weeks, he might end up just like bunkley. lets wait until miller gets suspended. then we will wait until barrett gets hurt. i can't wait to see drew coleman and hank poteat compete for the starting job and please dont start with this "we dont have the money" crap, thats just bullshit. we are in pretty good shape cap wise compared to most other teams. we're not trying to sign the 1st overall pick here
I actually wish they would adopt this strategy in the next CBA; leave more money for the established veterans instead of loading up these rookies, half of which never reach their perceived potential...
Good to see you believe in negiotating contracts with a gun to your head. The GM is trying to run a team, Revis is trying to get a deal for himself. This is normal, they idea that Tannenbaum should cave or do what's best for Revis is totall BS. The one thing I like about the current Jets management is they seem to have a plan. It's Revis who should be putting the pressure on his agent to get the deal done, it's purely speculation on why a deal hasn't been done. I wouldn't believe a one sided leak by reporters who don't like the current Jets brass to begin with, and I certainly don't want our cap squandered on unproven potential.
for all the revis "haters" out there Bob DiCesare: Player agents slow down NFL signings Updated: 07/27/07 8:32 AM PITTSFORD ? Buffalo?s Pat Kane was selected first overall in the NHL draft June 22. A little more than a month later he was under contract to the Chicago Blackhawks. Portland made Greg Oden the No. 1 pick in the NBA draft June 28. Less than a week passed before he and the Trail Blazers came to terms. See how simple it can be? No dawdling. No holdouts. No head coaches wishing all their rookies were on hand from the get-go. Which brings us to the NFL. Way back in April the Buffalo Bills chose running back Marshawn Lynch 12th overall. They opened training camp Thursday without him. There was no telling how long it would be before he signed and reported. The suspense finally ended late Thursday night when the sides came to terms. It was not up to Lynch so much as his agent, who?s in professional competition with other agents, all of whom are loath to agree to contract terms until the 2007 pay structure for firstrounders has been established. Thing is, it takes signings to establish the pay structure and progress has been scant. As of Wednesday, only four of the league?s 32 first-round picks were under contract, and none of those players were selected in the vicinity of Lynch, whose value therefore had yet to be defined in 2007 dollars. ?It seems that every year there is something new that comes up,? Jim Overdorf, Bills vice president of football administration, said. ?It seems like people are trying to determine what type of structure that the contracts are going to follow. That?s what I think the hang-up is.? The real hang-up is that the NFL, unlike the NHL and the NBA, allows rookie contracts to exceed manageable and realistic parameters. There is no language in the collective bargaining agreement that caps the salaries of first-year players. As a result, the agent for quarterback JaMarcus Russell, chosen first overall by the Oakland Raiders, is shooting for a rookie record $30 million in guaranteed money. That?s $30 million to find out if Russell is good enough to play in the league. Many a proven vet only can crave such financial security. Player agents help to gum up the works. Granted, they are often necessary evils, representatives who understand the industry trends and the nuances of contract language. They are also as much about themselves as the players they represent. Let?s say Lynch had decided to sign early for five years at $13 million, about a 10 percent increase over the contract signed by last year?s No. 12 pick, Haloti Ngata of the Baltimore Ravens. Meanwhile, this year?s 11th and 13th picks overall sign contracts worth 15 percent more than their corresponding picks of the previous year. Suddenly Lynch?s agent, Doug Hendrickson, is portrayed as someone who shorted his client. Rival agents will gloat that they did better for their players when they?re recruiting future clients. So agents tread carefully, and it?s not because Lynch or any other rookie would keenly appreciate the difference between $13 million and $13.1 million. Hendrickson?s on solid ground so long as Lynch?s salary is slotted between those of draft picks Nos. 11 and 13. It?s a sad system, really, as evidenced by this year?s large number of first-round holdouts. Doubtless Lynch would have preferred to be at camp on the first day rather than waiting for word that night that he was signed and cleared to report. ?You?ve got to be at camp on time, especially being a rookie,? Bills rookie linebacker Paul Posluszny said after coming to terms Wednesday. ?If you want to start things off right . . . you can?t show up late and expect to be on the same page as all the older guys.? Someone tell the agents. ---------------- and no, i dont know whats going on right now either. everyone is saying its because the jets want to sign him to a 6yr deal. so how can you blame revis for not wanting to sign a 6yr deal?
Simple. Because that's what he's being offered. 6 years, MILLIONS of DOLLARS. To PLAY a GAME. Screw him. He's going to sit around pulling his dong until it's too late to be the starter. Then what? There goes the leverage.
so? why would he care? its not like he asked the jets to select him. they traded up to get him and now they're not willing to offer that guy a 5yr deal?
These asshole atheletes and their gangsta money are ruining pro sports. Be happy you get to play as a pro and make good money,assholes.
Based on the way you are pimping Revis and the comment above, are you linked to him or his agent in some way? "asked the Jets to select him." --- it's a privlege to be drafted by any NFL team, not a right. The Jets traded up to the 14th slot with which they selected Revis..that has no bearing on him or his contract. The CBA, which was negotiated by the players union, stipulates that a 6-year contract can be offered...how are the Jets wrong here if that is what they are offering him. Argue about the market, but attacking the oraganization for "not willing to offer that guy a 5yr deal" has no basis in fact.
Disagree. If all the guys in front of him and behind him are signing 5-year deals, than Revis is within his right to get one too. The precedent has been set. Jets can offer a 6 year deal, but to hold out offering a 5 year deal because they are allowed to under the CBA ain't right
Revis doesn't really seem like the "gangsta" type...He really does have a point as 90% of his peers are getting 5-year deals. From a team standpoint, I still want six, but this is just business...there is no place for getting personal when both sides are just working in their own respective best interests. I just hope there are no hard feelings when all is said and done.
For the win! :up: ps: someone's gonna jump all over you for saying he was drafted with the 13th pick in you later post
