Of course the three teams you pointed out, were all championship teams, which in and of itself puts Chad's results as QB NYJ, at the top of the league.
Pitt got killed in the AFC champoinship game a week after we couldn't score offensively against them. Chad was playing with a torn shoulder and Quincy Carter, who may have given us a better shot in that game, was awol because of a Crack addiction.
True enough, but the big flaw in our Offense back then was no Shotgun formation, which allowed teams to like up big on the line, and come forward heavy, while the QB was still backpeddling, and we had little to no effectiveness running against it. A good defensive comparison would be last seasons game against the Vikings, and Schottenehimer schemed them perfectly....
It's hard to make anything out of comparing one week to the next. Bottom line, we make a FG we win the game. New England's guy always made the FG, our guy didn't.
Yeah but CP played very poorly that game. The only reason we were in it was because of our defense and special teams. That team had all the tools that people say CP needs to win a superbowl but in the end his limitations caused us to fall short. YES, we missed 2 FG's at the end. YES, herm called the stupid ass kneel play. With the team we had that season there was no reason the game should have even come down to that.
True, but you have to play the game that is, that's what managing the game is all about. If you're ahead or within a score, you're QB is playing with a shoulder that needs surgery, and you're on the road vs a 15-1 team, you do what you have to do to get in position to win. You're not throwing the ball all over the field. Of course the plan backfires when you do everything you need to do and then can't make the last kick. Or in this case, two kicks.
Yea but the six teams are all in the Afc and the three big Qb's are the ones we have to beat. I hear what your saying but we don't have to beat mediocre to get to the superbowl like in the Nfc. We have to beat Greatness and Future Greatness in Palmer to get there.
The point that im trying to make is the three Qb's are ones we have to go through to get to the superbowl. Add that to the fact that that Rivers has Lt who will prob be the greatest Rb of all time, Big Ben has won a Sb, Cutler has one of the greatest Coaches of all time and Mcnair has the Defense that Chad needs to have a chance at a Sb and it makes our chances slim to none to get to the Sb with a mediocre Chad.
A good Comparison would be when we played Ne last year and they beat us. That is what we have to beat and that is what we have to prepare for when it counts. Not Detroit, Buffalo or the Vikings. What happens when we play the big boys. There are 4-7 teams we have to beat to get to the dance lets focus on them. What does Chad have to do to beat the Pats or Colts and can he do it if Brady and Manning come to play. That is our reality.
His limitations? You mean the fact that his arm was about to fall off? I remember reading something where Chad had said his arm was in so much pain during the Pitt game that if they had advanced he wasn't sure if he would have been able to play the next week. I believe he said at times his arm was numb. Unfortunately, with Herm it was either play Chad or throw in the towel.
Yes his limitations. Not being able to zip the ball into tight spots, hit the deep out pattern, or play with confidence against a good defense. If you do not see these limitations then it's clear that you do not look at his skills objectively.
Do you even watch these games???? The last time I looked at video, when Brady is on the field, Pennington is on the sideline. The story of the playoff game is in this paragraph. No Defense. No Rushing game. Neither one of those attributes can be laid at the feet of Pennington.
Well for one since I am known on this board for being negative why not continue in that mode since most do not have the slightest grasp of what I post. The other was to ask one of Chad's defender's did he know that CBS Sportsline had made CP the most over rated NYJ because the defender was accusing the poster of knowing nothing about FB. The posts are # 29 & 31 in this thread
I have no hatred whatsoever about Chad. But if you were to ask me do I think CP can win us a SB with his present abilities my reply would be a big fat NO. That is why I have long ago seperated CP the loyal NYJ & CP the player. Unless your goal is different then mine which is winning a SB then you to have to seperate the 2 Chads & realize that as a player he is just average maybe even a tad below average. As for Man they drafted KC after a tour & I guess they thought he would work out & all would be OK but it appears that whatever they saw in KC to draft him has gone out the window so they may have erred in that choice. Remember that they passed on Cutler/Leinhart & both are now starters for there teams. Why does Man play him cmon now you know the answer to that question without any reply needed
cp is the only starting qb in the nfl that is physically incapable of throwing a 15 yrd out with zip. cp is the only starting qb in the league that is physically incapable of firing the ball in the ez while in the red zone. cp throws the ball with the least amount of velocity in the entire league. cp is in his thirties and has a long list of of injury issues including multiple surgeries to what was an already suspect throwing shldr. in my opinion it is impossible to compare him to even the worst of the qb's in the league because all other qb's in the league are at least physically capable of getting the job done..cp is not..it's like comparing a crippled man to one that can walk...one can and the other cannot..simple as that... the good news is that we have a head coach that we all have confidence in to make the right decisions in terms of who plays and who gets to warm the bench..we also have the guy rated #1 on thejets list of qb's drafted 2 yrs ago..we have a situation very similar to denvers from a yr ago.cutler was not the qb plummer was,but was given the reigns based on his potential.cp is a mch better qb than cutler,but given a chice between he and cutler to qb the jets this yr......well................15 yrd out with zip or bench for mr pennigton...simple as that
I'm romantic enough to dream of Chad winning the Superbowl here. Sure it won't be off the back of a dominant season where we throw where and when we like, but if we made it and if he was there, it would make it that little bit sweeter.
the running game is going to help pennington a lot this season and take the pressure off him and the recievers
