why dont you look into how many games the Jets have lost by more then 14 while under Pennington EDIT: 6 games, including the first start of his career and 2 playoff games
I believe the second number in the series was that the Jets are 1-13 lifetime when they get down more than 8 (one score) with Pennington at QB. I ran numbers for Vinny too as a countercheck and he brought the Jets back from 14 down 3 times in 3 seasons as a starter and was a more reasonable 8-17 in 8 point deficits. I shouldn't be quoting the numbers because I can't find the post and I might be off a bit, but not much.
i am really shocked with the lack of chad support...first off Losman? ahahah please tell me thats a joke...dude makes alot of horrible decisions...just look back to the 2nd to last game of the year i think it was. i have chad rated anywhere between 9-13 why you ask? because he doesnt make many turnovers, he's very smart and the most important thing for a quarterback is LEADERSHIP...and chad has that...yea he doesnt have the best arm and is injury prone. but i'd much rather have him over alot of those shitty QBs they listed...mike vick? come on...dudes the most overrated player in the NFL.
What does 99 have to do with it? Besides.. you may be helping to make my point here. Ray Lucas went 7-1 for a good team (Jets were considered contenders before Vinny went dow). So.. a poor QB stepped in and did ok on a good team. Don't even bring up Carter's 2-1. They were difficult games to watch and if I remember correctly.. we struggled to each win and relied on our defense. Let's look at your other examples... Garcia... hmm.. he looked pretty lost in Cleveland and Detroit. If he's that good, why didn't he change their fortunes. Fact is.. Eagles were good and that helped Garcia look good. Let's say you are right about Brad Johnson. He's a Superbowl winning QB and stepped in and changed a teams fortune. Weren't they 1-4 ish? Sound familiar? So.. If it takes a Superbowl Caliber QB to do that... aren't you in fact agreeing that Chad did what a great qb does? Changes a teams fortunes... Bottom line.. Just think Chad deserves more respect.. maybe not the homer respect that some of us (including me) give him... but the guy is a winner... proven. And it's not b/c he's stepped into good situations.
I think Chad is above average in a league where the QB play borders on atrocious. The guy can play in this league the way it's currently constituted and I like him better than many of the current NFL QB's. I just think his skills are terribly limited and that will limit how far we go.
Our goal is to win a Championship. Do you really believe that Chad can lead us back from 14 points down to the Patriots, Chargers or Ravens come playoff time. These are the teams we have to beat to get to the promised land. If we get down by 10 points the game is as good as over with Chad. The Patriots didn't decide to spend money and trade for guys with (CHARACTER) issues by accident this year. They knew they had to get to a certain level to play with the big boys and with Chad at the Helm we are not there.
That's mostly how I see it too. I do think we could get to a super bowl with him if all the other pieces were in place and clicking madly, however that's a heavy burden for a QB to lay on his team. I'd much rather have a Manning-type innovator who can carry the team for stretches or a Brady-type executor who always has an answer when the chips on the table are dwindling. With Chad I have no doubt that he's competent to maintain a lead and maybe even lead a last minute drive for a win, however once the Jets are down any significant amount it's over and you cannot afford to be in that situation. It puts you way too much at the mercy of how well the opposing players are playing that day. The Jets NEVER beat a team that's clicking and making connections on a given day while Chad is QBing. Vinny used to just shrug that stuff off (including the scores he gave up with bad INT's) and now and then he'd bring the Jets roaring back to win a lost cause. I miss that.
i just dont get it...sure, i like chad...but lets call a spade a spade. when hes at his best, chad is still a second tier QB. i pull for the guy, i own a pennington jersey, and when he succeeds it feels great. but, and there def is a but, chad isnt a top 10 qb...he could barely scrape into the top 15. hes got the mental make up of a great qb, but his physical limitations keep him from getting to the next level. i understand loyalties, and pulling for "your guy", but in the nfl theres always a heaping dose of reality waiting for those that try to sugarcoat the things that sting the most. unless our defense plays great, and we get our running game off the ground and have it play out in a forceful way chad doesnt excel. his game is predicated on the run and play action. hes mastered the PA pass, i think we can all agree on that. in the end, there will be a different QB at the helm when the jets take the next step.
Tell me what Breakaway tailback, and pass catching tight end he's had to keep the defense from bringing Pressure when playing with a cushion.
Manning????? are you kidding ????? What you really meant is you'd rather have Tom Moore as on OC and a FO that will give him what he wants.... Tell me when did Pennnington ever have Penny and (Edgerrin James), and (Marvin Harrison), plus....Marcus Pollard.... Curtis Martin and his lack of speed has always been a drag on this team offensively. His positivies far offset that negative to be sure, but go back to 2002. Indy had won 6 of 8. GB had won 4 straight. Tell me how that turned out. Speed out of the backfield, and one guy that can take it the distance on the outside to offset Coles, (Cotchery aint it...good though he may be...) And Every year would be like 02. I agree about Brady....Manning???? Manning makes Pennington look like the Terminator interms of Game Time toughness..
Here's the thing: Manning is going to go to the Hall of Fame probably recognized as the greatest QB ever, he'll certainly be in the top 5. I'm not going to start a back and forth argument about whether having Edgerrin James was what made Manning great, particularly given that James left town and Manning won a super bowl without him. I think having Marvin Harrison really helped. Marvin Harrison is a great receiver. That doesn't change the fact that Manning has been a top 5 QB every year of his career after his rookie season. Having a great receiver gives you opportunity, but being top 5 every year means there's a lot more than the receiver going on there.
Chad had a Future Hall of Fame Running back in Curtis Martin. Chad also had one of the Fastest receiver in Football in Santana Moss and could not get the ball down field to him. Even if we had a speed burner at receiver he would be a waste. Nobody is scared of Pennington's arm so the defenses of good teams can stack the line against the Jets. Schotty can't use 50% of his playbook because of Chads Limitations!
Thats is remarkably Untrue. In 04 Sideline averaged 20 ypc, with Pennington. Our current Wideouts average 12.... And Calling Martin a HoF RB does not speak to the fact that he was Slow, but steady. (i.e...You didnt need to back off the LoS because a missed tackle meant he was going the distance...Like Lamar Smith did on the Frost tackle in the Monday night miracle...Thats How you get 8 and 9 in the box)
Had all that with Paul Hackett, Laveranues Coles, Santana Moss, Curtis Martin, Wayne Chrebet and a good offensive line in 2002 and the offense was still pretty flat. Peyton Manning is the reason the Colt's offense is explosive, not the other way around. They do things they'd never even think about doing if they had Chad as the QB and everything else was the same. The Jets would do things completely differently on offense if Peyton Manning was their QB and everything else was the same. There's just no arguing this. It's not like Peyton and Chad are close, they're not even moderately close. Their skills are separated by a yawning chasm called Hall of Fame and Decent Quarterback that very few people will remember more than fuzzily in 15 years.
It sucks for all of you Pennington haters that Chad will be the QB here for at least another 5 years. Mangini and Schott love this guy. Why do you think they named him starting qb immediately after the season? They didnt have to do that. They know what they have in Chad. Chad will be hoisting the Lombardi trophy within the next year or 2 so get on the Chad Train before its too late.
