gotta chime in here....... - knowing full well what Hacketts track record was coming in - he should NOT have been hired as OC - maybe QB coach but not OC. but we have to realize its a game of who you know and hackett was still part of the club so to say. also, edwards was in the right place at the right time with the right people there for him.....IMO - the ONLY way herm was getting a first time HC job was with 2 experienced coordinators UNDER him to start. unfortunately, it became a terrible combination of decision makers, bad foresight and good ole boys getting hefty salaries from a first time clueless owner. looking back you have to respect more the job mangini has done so far - with a rookie OC and first time DC as well......even with his experience edwards is NO match for mangini. we have the advantage by far. oh well, the headline still reads playoffs 3 of 5 years.....gggg. boy one has to look in between the pages on that one. jil
He's just like champ in thinking everyone elses' opinion is wrong. The only difference is that champ has always criticized Herm and junc has always praised him.
Pete carroll and bruce coslet are 2 proven failures as NFL HCs but you'd take them over Herm. that's all we need to know. As much as I hate hackett he was a good choice. he was brought in b/c his system was the perfect system for Chad and they knew Chad was the future. hackett is a terrible playcaller but great teacher of offense and he was key in developing Chad. The major difference is I bring FACTS to back up my arguments and for the millionth time I have not always praised Herm. I have criticized him plenty, whenever he deserved it- that's the difference btw myself and the irrational herm haters who blame herm for evrything that went wrong here.
He was the head coach, everything falls on his shoulders bad or good. If it is fair to praise him and give him credit for everything that went right when he was here, it is just as fair to criticize/blame him for everything that went wrong. You can't have it both ways, he was either the HC and responsible for the Jets successes and failures, or he wasn't.
i think there is a balance, it's not always the players fault and it's not always the coaches fault. Herm takes alot of blme for losses but the players do as well but to most folks n hereit's just Herm is responsible for losing and the players for winning wle it's the opposite for mangini.
Thinking on that level would make him wrong and he could never ever be wrong. I know one thing. If one person calls another person an asshole then it is probably a personality clash. If everyone calls said person an asshole, well chances are, he is an asshole. (This is not a subtle dig on junk. This is in regards to herm.)
Right and either he was a GREAT Head Coach who could outcoach others OR we needed to upgrade....... Why nitpick this junc? A Championship team needs to be GREAT in a lot of areas. COACHING is near the top of that list. Junc, don't label us as "Haters" and ignore THE POINT.... We needed BETTER COACHING and that's that. It's clear as day that the NY Jets are in better hands in the coaching dept. today with Mangini and Schott than they have in a real long time... Now, there's a lot of factors that go into W/L records including injuries and schedules so, there's no guarantee that these guys will have better record's than Herm and Co. but, I know better coaching and development and I CLEARLY see it before my eyes.... This year's schedule is damn tough... But, if this team fights along the way, next year could possibly be the best Jets year EVER.
"If you try to go 75 yards ? three plays make a first down, three plays make a first down ? it's like driving Miss Daisy," Edwards said. "That's a long drive."
I disagree, just b/c a mahority feels a certain way does ot make them correct. The facts back Herm but alot of folks on here don't want facts to get in the way of a good Herm bashing. How come we made the playoffs just once w/ Parcells? How come we ade it further w/ Herm than we did w/mangini? YOu guys are ignoring the point that herm wasn't half as bad as you made him out to be. this is a results business not a perception business and he produced results. You guys also fail to acknowledge that when we hired Hrem NOBODY wanted the job! BB, BP twice, groh all quit on us, Capers declined to be considered. our choices were basically Herm, Cottrell and Carthon. Herm got the job and was SUCCESSFUL. W/ a team that couldn't get to the playoffs the previous 2 years he did it 3 of his first 4 years and the only 2 years he didn't make it we lost our starting QB. You want better coacing? That's fine and I agree that Mangini will be a better coach but don't forget where we wee and what herm actually did for us. Absolutely, it looks like we are in the best hands we may have ever had or at least since Weeb. obviosuly BP's staffs were better but they weren't around long, we should have the core of this staff together for many years. It's a results business, if he is here 4 more years and doesn't make the postseason or makes it just once and we don't do much then Herm was the better coach. Regardless of whether mangini is a better strategist which obviously he is- this is about results. it's way too early to know if a sched is tough or not, alot of times rise and fall quickly. it looks touhg n ow but it may not be as tough. We have upgraded in alot of areas, are in year 2 of a new regime so everyone should be more comfortable scheme wise and Chad isn't rehabbing as long as we are healthy we should do just as well as last year.
I agree a majority of the time the mahority is absolutely wrong however the facts are very different than data you present to formulate an opinion and try and pass it off as truth. No question you have a great memory and a good grasp of statistics, you just can't read what they mean which clouds your ability to understand a different point of view.
Now that is an unusually perceptive question! Well done. Although, you have to credit the fine coaching job in 2002 when we did win the division on the third tiebreaker in a season in which our franchise quarterback who tore up the league started the first five games or so on the bench. Remember, the NYGs made the playoffs last year. Thats some coach that Tom Coughlin.
Now we are picking out typos? You are better than that winston. I am the one who presents a clear argument, you guys use your opinions. My facts beat your opinions. The problem is you think i don't understand the other side but I do, it's the opposite way around. YOU guys do not understand the other point of view. it's 100% anti-Herm w/ you guys. I have explained this a million times- I saw Herm's faults and spoke of them but you guys haven't seen anything good w/ Herm- it's all negative. if he was half as bad of a coach as you guys say then he wouldn't have a job right now and he wouldn't have 4 postseasons on his resume in just 6 years. he may not be a Championship coach but he's good enough to take a team to a certain level- a level we haven't seen very often in our history, a level we have seen most often w/ herm as our HC.
Tom Coughlin wasn't the Giants coach that year. We were incredibly beat up early in 2002, if Chad didn't start the year on the bench he may not have made it to october. We rippd through Ne in fron of a Nat'l TV audience the tore up 12-3 GB who was fighting for homefield. If we lost either of those games NE wins the division. NE wouldn't lose another home game until 2005 and wouldn't lose a division home ame until last year against us(a real game, they lost to Miami in '05 but in that game Brady barely played and doug Flutie was rop kicking PATs). This is my point, even in a year where he did a great job rallying a wounded team he doesn't get credit.
