"Randy Moss is a player whose skills are diminishing, and he's in denial of those eroding skills," former Raiders offensive coordinator Tom Walsh told the Boston Globe for Sunday's edition. "Randy was a great receiver, but he lacked the work ethic and the desire to cultivate any skills that would compensate for what he was losing physically later in his career. "He told me last year, 'I'm too old to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but I'm not too old to play on Sunday.' Did they start a senior league?" http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2871527 I hope Revis eats him up.
Well it's Tom Walsh against the supposed 4.29 he ran for the Pats in a private workout. Which is right? Are both?
Walsh is not a good offensive coordinator but I have no reason to doubt what he's saying. People outside the Raider organization were saying a lot of the same things about Moss last year...
It's a fact that people's physical abilities, particularly those that are not purely strength based, decline on a rapid curve as 30 approaches and passes. People who are willing to work hard to maintain those abilities keep more of them longer and people who are willing to compensate for the decline by finding more effective ways to operate can also arrest the decline for a few years. Randy Moss isn't in those categories. I think he'll be a good receiver next year and help the Pats but I think the days of Randy Unstoppable are over.
Yeah, this is where I'm at with Randy Moss. I'll drink a steaming, hot cup of my own urine if he actually ran a 4.29; but I think he's got a 1000 yard season in him still. Maybe two. Not very many more. Beyond that, I have to give him a pass for his days in Oakland. Playing in a dysfunctional organization, with no hope whatsoever of sniffing playoff air, I can understand why he would lose interest, and put in a half-assed effort. I think it's abhorrent for a guy cashing the checks he was cashing, but I can understand it. It happens with thoroughbred racehorses, and why some of us occasionally look stupid in no-brainer races. You surround a champion thoroughbred with crappy horses, and sometimes they find it difficult to get motivated.
I love this stuff. I am on board for a Super Bowl season. May never happen, but I am looking forward to the season. I love that my team is trying to make a serious run for the Super Bowl. I also love that people are trashing Moss. I hope more people trash him. I hope it adds to his drive to prove them wrong. It's awesome. Hell, I'll jump on board.! Moss is terrible and Revis as a rookie is totally going to own him. Revis wants to have like, 10,000 of his babies. Tell us everything wrong about out organization. Our rivals love to trash us, but what have they won lately to boast such statements? Who knows. What I do know is that I can't wait for the damn season. Heck, even training camp. Sheesh, we got like 3+ months. I can't take it! Here's to some kick-ass AFC East football. We've all improves, so let the race begin! :beer:
W/ all due respect man...what do you expect? Your team has dominated football and frankly ruined Jets fan's seasons for half a decade now....and they just added one of the most controversial figures in all sports who was widely disliked BEFORE he went to your team. This is no different than after Parcells left NE to come to NY, or Martin, like-wise. The difference is your team has had the media's tongue, the winds of fortune, and the jets number for a much longer tiome frame and more significant degree. This is the result. Jet fans and other rival fans are not going to stop, until the Patriots run is a thing of the past...Some of the things being said are irrational...but get used to it.
I've been trashing Randy Moss for a long time now. No Pats fan should be surprised to hear me say it, like suddenly because he's a Patriot he sucks. I would be very surprised to see a newly motivated, in shape and focused Randy Moss. We haven't seen that player in a long, long time... if ever.
Used to it? I love it! It's about respect in the end, and I know that. Truth be told, it just gets old, and I simply can't wait for the season. It's borderline torture, lol. And how awesome is it that we throw down Game 1?! :beer:
Relax, it was an article. No Jets fans were bickering about Moss some even said they'd still take him a step slower.
Randy Moss is Randy Moss. When he has played on a team with playoff aspirations he has been an unstoppable force. Looking at how the Patriots season ended last year and the unknown receivers Tom Brady worked with, Randy Moss will put up his double digit TD's and a 1,000 plus yard seasons with Brady easily. He can be to Tom Brady what Marvin Harrison is to Peyton Manning, a legit threat. Oh yeah, the Patriots only gave up a fourth round to get this guy and he supposedly ran a 4.29 40 in a private workout, I don't know about you but Randy Moss is a damn PLAYMAKER and I will take him on my team anyday over a guy named T.O. The only step Randy Moss has lost was to losing with the OAKLAND RAIDERS for two horrible seasons.
What was Moss's 40 time when he came into the league?I'm pretty sure it wasn't as low as 4.29 so I have little reason to believe that he can run it now despite being 9 years older and after looking noticeably slower the last few years? I do think he'll be a good player but I agree with those who say the unstoppable Randy Moss is a thing of the past.
Can someone remind me of the records teams with Randy Moss on them have had since he's been in the league?
DW: you have been one of the most level headed opposing posters on here but you have been drinking a little too much of the Pats kool aid this offseason. They are doing things the redskin way istead of the patriot way. The ONLY player I have any fer at all that you picke dup this offseason is Moss but he's s till a huge question mark b/c of how quickly hehasdeclined. I expect he'll wrk hard and be a top player again but you never know but other than him you brought in some overpaid guys and questionable chacater guys. All you did was bring in big names ad that's not the formula for success.
Speaking with friends since the Moss trade, I still think Moss could become the biggest decoy the Patriots have ever had. Don't get me wrong, he will be successful getting many yards as a receiver with TB at the helm and BB calling the plays, but at MH points out in his commentary, Moss' presence will allow the other WRs and TEs on the team to succeed as well. How Moss fits in by Merril Hoge ESPN.com Updated: May 12, 2007 Everyone has discussed how great the Randy Moss trade is going to be for the New England Patriots, so let's talk about how the Patriots should use the speedster. This trade will benefit New England several ways, including potentially helping Tom Brady earn his first regular-season MVP. Last season, Brady threw for 3,529 yards with second-rate receivers. This season, the Patriots have loaded up with a fantastic set of guys who complement each other and will all play off Moss extremely well. Obviously, the Patriots are going to use Moss' downfield skills to exploit secondaries, but not in the way most people think. This is a smart offensive staff that won't get caught up in throwing deep jump balls downfield to Moss like some of his previous offensive coordinators. The coaches will also use his speed and ability to make big plays to create opportunities for others. The Patriots will have Moss run deep patterns to run off the deeper safety, creating more space for complementary routes from Kelley Washington, Donte' Stallworth, Wes Welker and Troy Brown. They will run a lot of digs, ins, curls and crossing patterns with the excess space Moss will provide. This will give Brady time to pick apart opposing defenses. Moss' presence will also create a lot of single coverage for these receivers, and they have the speed and smarts to take full advantage of that coverage. Another way Moss will help this team is in the running game. With Moss taking a safety deep, the Patriots will be able to pound the ball, running some delays and traps to keep defenses off balance. Enough about how Moss will help others. The question a lot of people are asking is: How will Moss do with a great quarterback throwing him the ball and a great offensive staff coordinating? I believe he will finish the season with 80-90 catches, more than 1,000 receiving yards and double-digit touchdowns. Opposing teams will respect him, but the presence of the other weapons on this team will prevent defenses from focusing solely on him. This will be the first time since he stopped playing opposite Cris Carter that he will have other receiving threats to play off, and that will be the key to his success. While Moss has had a propensity to take plays off, he has also been hamstrung by poor coaching and the lack of quality receivers on the other side of the field. This year will be different for Moss. I expect to see the type of numbers and influence on the game we saw from him early in his career.
1998 15-1, Playoffs 1999 10-6, Playoffs 2000 11-5, Playoffs 2001 5-11 2002 6-10 2003 9-7 2004 8-8, Playoffs 2005 4-12 2006 2-14 After a fantastic start he's been on teams totalling a record of 34-62 and one playoff appearance in the past six years. Each time he's been in the playoffs his team have won one game then lost the next. Just some interesting facts.
yeah, but hes on the Pats now, a team that is always a superbowl contender. As much as i hate to admit it, look at what Brady has done with mediocre receivers. Even if Randy Moss has loss a step, hes still head over heels better than anybody Brady threw to before and i fully expect Randy Moss to have a pro bowl year.
Randy Moss Doubters Not sure if this was already posted, but thought that this could ease the minds of some of us who feel Randy Moss is going to be a beast. Walsh: Moss' skills were 'diminishing' on Raiders ESPN.com news services Updated: May 16, 2007, 8:17 AM ET Comment Email Print Brett Favre was so angry that the Green Bay Packers didn't trade for Randy Moss that he called out the organization. Well, not everybody shares his high opinion of the wide receiver. Moss "Randy Moss is a player whose skills are diminishing, and he's in denial of those eroding skills," former Raiders offensive coordinator Tom Walsh told the Boston Globe for Sunday's edition. "Randy was a great receiver, but he lacked the work ethic and the desire to cultivate any skills that would compensate for what he was losing physically later in his career. "He told me last year, 'I'm too old to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but I'm not too old to play on Sunday.' Did they start a senior league?" Walsh was fired, along with head coach Art Shell, after Oakland's 2-14 season. Moss was shopped by the new Raiders regime and finally landed in New England. Walsh doesn't know if Moss can be the consistent threat that the Patriots hope they're pairing with quarterback Tom Brady. "When he's right, he still makes an impact," Walsh told the Globe. "He looked like a world-beater in a preseason game against the Lions. I never thought he was difficult to coach, but we expected him to be a complete receiver and he wasn't. His whole game in Minnesota was outside the numbers. For him to run shallow crosses and in-routes was new for him. Initially, he showed all the interest but later on ... I don't know." The Patriots are banking on Moss adapting to the one-for-all work ethic that has helped the Patriots win three of the last six Super Bowls. Walsh isn't so sure. "Randy Moss has great football IQ," Walsh told the paper. "He's tremendously gifted. I think he can still play, but his legs will determine how much work he can handle. We used to take him out of Friday practices because the quarterbacks wanted the receivers running near game tempo and when Randy was on the field, the whole practice slowed down so much we started giving him the day off. Once he got discouraged, he just faded." Moss himself blames the losing he experienced in Oakland. "I think what I have done in the past as far as losing and sometimes getting out of control, I think it's just my competitive nature of wanting to win and helping my team get into a position to win," he said in a conference call after the trade to New England. "Like I said, losing sometimes can get contagious, but as a player I can't let that settle in, and I think that's one of the things that bothered me [in Oakland]. I didn't want it to set in and it didn't set in. It was just really nerve-racking that it was hard for me to win."
