what I dont understand is people think that the 25th pick will automatically start. I will get picks in the 20's the last 5 yrs. I bet less than half started(we got lucky last yr)
some others can halp fill in but I went with the 100% knowns I dont really have the time right now 2006 1 20 20 Tamba Hali Chiefs DE Penn State ? 1 21 21 Laurence Maroney Patriots RB Minnesota didnt start at 1st 1 22 22 Manny Lawson 49ers LB North Carolina State didnt start 1 23 23 Davin Joseph Buccaneers G Oklahoma a guard in TB? 1 24 24 Johnathan Joseph Bengals DB South Carolina I dont think he started 1 25 25 Santonio Holmes Steelers WR Ohio State playerd some 1 26 26 John McCargo Bills DT North Carolina State injured? 1 27 27 DeAngelo Williams Panthers RB Memphis stunk 1 28 28 Marcedes Lewis Jaguars TE UCLA 1 29 29 Nick Mangold Jets C Ohio State started 2005 1 20 20 Marcus Spears Cowboys DE Louisiana State started 1 21 21 Matt Jones Jaguars WR Arkansas 3rd wr 1 22 22 Mark Clayton Ravens WR Oklahoma ? 1 23 23 Fabian Washington Raiders DB Nebraska 1 24 24 Aaron Rodgers Packers QB California never plays 1 25 25 Jason Campbell Redskins QB Auburn started after 1 yr 1 26 26 Chris Spencer Seahawks C Mississippi 1 27 27 Roddy White Falcons WR Alabama-Birmingham looks like a bust 1 28 28 Luis Castillo Chargers DT Northwestern not a starter 1 29 29 Marlin Jackson Colts DB Michigan inj rook yr 2004 1 20 20 Kenechi Udeze Vikings DE USC sucks 1 21 21 Vince Wilfork Patriots DT Miami (FL) I dont think he started his rook yr 1 22 22 J.P. Losman Bills QB Tulane started his 2nd yr 1 23 23 Marcus Tubbs Seahawks DT Texas 1 24 24 Steven Jackson Rams RB Oregon State didnt start his rook yr 1 25 25 Ahmad Carroll Packers DB Arkansas 1 26 26 Chris Perry Bengals RB Michigan what a waste 1 27 27 Jason Babin Texans DE Western Michigan junk 1 28 28 Chris Gamble Panthers DB Ohio State 1 29 29 Michael Jenkins Falcons WR Ohio State 2003 1 20 20 George Foster Broncos T Georgia never started rook yr 1 21 21 Jeff Faine Browns C Notre Dame 1 22 22 Rex Grossman Bears QB Florida 1 23 23 Willis McGahee Bills RB Miami (FL) started 1 24 24 Dallas Clark Colts TE Iowa started 1 25 25 William Joseph Giants DT Miami (FL) 1 26 26 Kwame Harris 49ers T Stanford 1 27 27 Larry Johnson Chiefs RB Penn State finally started in 04 1 28 28 Andre Woolfolk Titans DB Oklahoma 1 29 29 Nick Barnett Packers LB Oregon State started as a rook 2002 1 20 20 Javon Walker Packers WR Florida State started 1 21 21 Dan Graham Patriots TE Colorado took a while 1 22 22 Bryan Thomas Jets DE Alabama-Birmingham took an eon 1 23 23 Napoleon Harris Raiders LB Northwestern 1 24 24 Edward Reed Ravens DB Miami (FL) started 1 25 25 Charles Grant Saints DE Georgia started as a rook 1 26 26 Lito Sheppard Eagles DB Florida 1 27 27 Mike Rumph 49ers DB Miami (FL) 1 28 28 Jerramy Stevens Seahawks TE Washington 1 29 29 Marc Colombo Bears T Boston College 2001 1 20 20 Adam Archuleta Rams DB Arizona State 1 21 21 Nate Clements Bills DB Ohio State 1 22 22 Will Allen Giants DB Syracuse 1 23 23 Deuce McAllister Saints RB Mississippi 1 24 24 Willie Middlebrooks Broncos DB Minnesota 1 25 25 Freddie Mitchell Eagles WR UCLA 1 26 26 Jamar Fletcher Dolphins DB Wisconsin 1 27 27 Michael Bennett Vikings RB Wisconsin 1 28 28 Derrick Gibson Raiders DB Florida State 1 29 29 Ryan Pickett Rams DE Ohio State 2000 1 20 20 Stockar McDougle Lions T Oklahoma 1 21 21 Sylvester Morris Chiefs WR Jackson State 1 22 22 Chris McIntosh Seahawks T Wisconsin 1 23 23 Rashard Anderson Panthers DB Jackson State 1 24 24 Ahmed Plummer 49ers DB Ohio State 1 25 25 Chris Hovan Vikings DT Boston College 1 26 26 Erik Flowers Bills DE Arizona State 1 27 27 Anthony Becht Jets TE West Virginia 1 28 28 Rob Morris Colts LB Brigham Young 1 29 29 R. Jay Soward Jaguars WR USC like I said I dont have the time to do all of the reseach but NFL.com has stats with games started(which is most likely you played most of the game. Most players drafted in the 20-29 range dont start their rookie years. Which is why I say FUCK position go after BAP
Very good post, I agree with you totally. If you have no pass rush, it really doesn't matter who your cb's are. Even the best cover corners can only cover for so long. I really want to go DT round 1 but the problem is no one with value will be at our pick. Do we consider giving up multiple picks to move up for a guy link branch or okoye? Do we give up later picks for Kris Jenkins?
We would have to give up all of our first day picks to move up for okoye. So that won't happen. The only way I see us moving up is in a trade that includes a player and our first pick. Much more likely that we would move down.
Why do you want okoye, he?s a typical 4-3 DT, we could only use him as a End, but he got much more valuve for a 43 team, than for us. He?ll only be average in our D probably not even a starter, but he could be a heck of a DT for a 43 D. I can?t see us trading up, for anyone else but CJ, and it looks like, we would have to give up way too much for him.
All our picks this year and our first and second from next year still wouldn't be enough to move up that far assuming he's the number 1 pick based on the point system.
But Vilma, Coles, and our 1st should be enough to get to 4 + getting Tampa?s second round pick 36th overall if he will last that long and Tampa is willing to do the trade (which i doubt) i?m sure our FO is going to think about that one for a minute.
I agree. Adding players changes it totally. Of course if they have signing bonuses what ever is left accelerates to this year if we trade them. It would probably be too expensive to trade them both but it's possible we may trade one of them.
Tampa will not trade the 4 under any circumstances until Calvin Johnson is off the board. The teams that might trade down right now are Detroit on the 2 and Washington on the 6 and both trades would be prohibitively expensive.
The number 4 overall is worth 1800 points. The 25 overall is worth 720 points. the 14 Overall is worth 1100, and there is no reasonable argument to be made that Vilma is not worth more than the 14th overall pick.
Of course there is. He's 3 or 4 years older. Nobody gets traded for a first round pick yet you are setting his value at a mid level first. Never happen.
Vilma is a mid level first round pick. With three years in the NFL, in the defense that Tampa Runs, and excels in it. its not like hes 30. The kid is 25 years old... Plus thats a need for Tampa. Both MLB Quarels (sp?) and OLB Brooks are 11 and 12 year vets...
Ok, for arguments sake name me anybody in the last 5 years at even a skill position who has been traded for a first. Don't include Abraham, Atlanta was in love with him.
