Oakland is not taking Johnson, nor is Detroit. Russell, Quinn, Probably Peterson to Cleveland. Tampon Bay at 4, does however need a MLB to replace Quarrells...unless you consider his backup Ruud the answer...(Thats why I mentioned Vilma specifically...)
No chance CJ is available at 4. If Oakland makes the huge mistake of passing on him(which I don't think they will) then Detroit will trade down to someone who wants to take CJ. I will gaurantee CJ goes off the board by the 2nd pick and most likely the first...
So, you think the Raiders are going into the season with Andrew Walter and Josh Booty ? Who would throw the ball to Johnson ? (Notice they did bring in TE's and RB's via FA...)
They will probably end up being the team that signs Carr. Plus, they can draft a QB in rounds 2 or 3 if they don't. I think Oakland WILL draft CJ. It makes the most sense, and they can then move Moss to Green Bay on draft day.
At least one of our best players to move up high enough to draft him? You can still draft a WR in those round too. From what I understand, and I'm not real well versed so I could be wrong, Blalock is by far our best opportunity to upgrade the right side in this draft and the other guards/tackles that will be available later on aren't even close. Also, from what I understand, this draft is stacked with WR's. I think the biggest problem is not getting a big push from our o-line in the run game, as well as CP not being able to hit the deep out or otherwise zip the ball into tight spots. Not being able to run the ball also limited our effective use of one of CP's best assets - the PA pass. With TJ and an upgraded run game, the PA pass will again become effective and also allow us to utilize an underutilized TE in Chris Baker. Thomas Jones will never look like Barry Sanders unless it's on the flag football field I play on. I get your point though, and I love CJ's talent. I would love to have him on the team to be able to force D's to respect the deep ball a little more. But think of it this way - LC already commands a double team or at least a safety over the top in passing situations. Is CJ going to demand a triple team? Our problem on offense was mainly in the redzone because a) we couldn't force feed the run, b) PA passing was largely ineffective due to a lackluster running attack, c) CP's inability to zip the ball into tight spots that the redzone forces by nature. Sure CJ would be a nice RZ target but force feeding the run game in the redzone is not only a necessity but opens up the pass. Again, not much of a difference considering the alternative IMO. Outside the RZ I agree. Controlling the line of scrimmage throughout the course of a football game allows you to eventually impose your will on the opposition. Trying to air it out all game can work if you have the cream of the crop at QB and WR/TE along with a solid o-line. I guess it's a matter of what offensive philosophy you subscribe to.
They have been oin on all the QB action leading up to the draft, which leads me to believe that they really want to draft CJ. They'll end up with another Qb before the draft, whether it is Carr or Rodgers. They will be making a horrible mistake that they will regret for years if they pass on CJ, so will any other team that passes on him. Especially if they are gonna pass on him for the most overrated player in the draft in Russell, they would be much better off with Johnson & say Stanton, than Russell and whoever they take with there 2nd.
The Jones Sanders thing was a bit of (Ithought) obvious hyperbole. however, my only point was that if you talk about going up for CJ, He needs to be there at 4, where Tampa is a natural fit for trade (5 works bc arizona is loaded at WR...then you can shot for the 6 spot, but I dont think CJ gets past TB....Vilma, is one of our best players, but the truth is, he is undersized, and mismatched for the scheme. Yes, he may overcome that, but swapping Vilma and 25, makes trading up Cap Neutral, saves a roster spot (two first round spots into 1, and so on. Bringing in all of the Front seven competition also leads you to believe that there is room for flexibility. And one trend since Tangini got here is to get bigger in the front seven.... I think Blalock, and MWalker at the bottom of the second would accomplish almost as much...
Do you think Blalock will be there when we pick in the second round? EDIT: I wouldn't have a problem with trading JV to get CJ so long as we can still improve the right side of the o-line - if Blalock is going to be around when we pick in the second, or we can package both 2's to get back into his range that would be cool. I'd LOVE to see CJ in green and white.
In all fairness, any team in the NFL could ask the same question of us. Would the offense benefit more from a deep threat that may at times be unreachable do too our QB's arm strength, or a big TE over the middle that makes for a nice mid range target. I'd honostly take the TE in our current situation.
dont be silly. Even chad can throw it 50 yards. he used to drop it into Sideline Santana, on the occaision when you could get him to run the post.... Throwing the Home Run ball is not about arm strength, its about timing... a TE, only exacerbates the 8 in the box problem.
Honestly if we went: 1. Blalock 2. B. Robinson 2B. Mike Walker 3. Eric Wright or Josh Wilson I'd be a happy man. Thats a pretty kickass draft.
I just don't agree that Pennington can throw a 50 yard ball with consistent accuracy. His timing on the long ball is average at best, and he often throws short, forcing receivers to come back up field. Even his short routes last year we're forcing his backs and receivers too make good plays on what should be easy completions at times. I'm not a Pennington hater, thats just what I see. I'm also not opposed to a move for Johnson, simply because he would be here long after CP left the game (assuming all goes well). As of this coming season though, I think TE would help CP out more then a deep threat. There's a reason nobody fears the long ball from the Jets, and it's not because our receivers are incapable of getting open down field.
that's assuming that the reason he jets had a problem with 8 in the box was due to the wr's...it wasn't
This CJ talk is just non-sense. It is a bad move. We would have to trade away the farm to get him. Would you trade Mangold and Dbrick for him? That is the kind of outlay we would have to make. Plus he will cost a forutune to sign and there is no, I repeat no guarantee he will ever amount to a hill of beans. It cracks me up how without fail each year people on this board get so intoxicated with an unproven commodity that they would exchange proven commodities, draft choices and precious cap space to try and get them. Look in the past several years at all the superhyped WRs that have come into the league and then tell me how many have lived up to billing. Not so many. It is a silly pipe dream.
i have to agree, this idea is just bad. We shouldnt be willing to give up one of our proven players to take a risk on a wr, lets just wait for our pick and take someone like robert meacham if hes still there.
Yeah, I think the football gods you are referring to are the "Really slow, high arched pass by Chad Pennington" Gods. I heard they have caused a few guys to get layed out.
