its tough to predict how good these so called tough teams will be by the time we get around to playing them. I think the Jets can definitely hang with any of those teams in the NFC east
but is it easy to predict how tough we will be by the time we play them? I doubt it and we started out weaker then them. They spent like crazy men and totally upgraded their weaknesses. We saved money and signed other teams failures and castoffs in hopes that will one fine day turn out to be good players. IMO that is NOT the way a team can build to win a SB! So now weare forced to rely upon hjaving a great draft just to try to get near NE talent-wise. The draft is a crapshoot yet they have two first round picks and have corrected ALL their weaknesses, so they are able to take the BAP. Yeah, we have done great, real great! TJ requires a big OL to open holes. He is a North-South runner. We did not sign a powerful OG and must hope to get one in the draft! AC is merely OK, not great! Yet we did zilch in getting a young, great RT. But we have 6 or 7 DEs now! I wonder if it would have been cheaper to sign a guy like KERNEY to a big contract then to sign 4 guys and hope 1 pans out!
exactly who are you talking about when you say "Thy spent like crazy men and upgraded their weaknesses"? Im talking about the NFC east, not NE. I dont think any rational Jet fan can say this team wont be better next year, even if our record is 10-6 again.
Wow 1 team in the division improved more then the Jets in free agency. Whoopee they signed 1 of the 2 truly decent players in all of free agency this year. The fact remains the over whelming vast majority of free agents were mediocre at best. In fact most were scrubs. You are delusional if you think in this free agency period the Jets would have caught NE even if they had Redskin money to spend. To wit for the Jets to catch the Pats, they had to sign a HOF talent at QB that is lights out-money in the clutch, 1 HOF worthy DE, 1 of the best 3-4 NT in the league, a stud RB that can do the grunt work, a mauling OG and a mauling RT. Only two of those where available in all of free agency and we got one of them. The other was resigned by the Chargers and in reality was not available. I know you know the above was the case. It is entirely debatable that the Bills and Dolphins moved a step backwards. First the bills lost arguably much better players then they retained. They over paid, spent Redskin money on average at best OL talent. Yuck I am glad this FO did not do that. They also lost their starting RB albeit that might be addition by subtraction. The net result is a big minus for them in my eyes. The dolphins on the other hand haveover hauled their team. They got Porter a mouthy playmaker on the downside. He could be a big pick up, however they have not made their disgusting secondary any better. On offense they have no offensive line, cut their TE ( addition by subtraction imo) and still have mediocre talent at the WR position as I think Chambers is about as clutch as Bill Buckner and Booker is OK. The Dolphins have done nothing to make themselves a division contender. So really it is still the Jets as the second best teamin the division. The only other AFC team to win a Redskin award in free agency is the Bronco's and we shall see how that turns out. Lastly, a fact I think that remains lost on people is look at the teams that did well in the draft last year. For the most part they all over achieved- the Jets, Saints, Bears (even though some did not like their draft), 49'ers. While teams with brutal drafts under achieved- Dolphins, lol Raiders ( they needed a monumental draft to do well), Redskins, Giants, Texans etc. etc. No thanks to Free agency, I will take my chances in the draft.
Why must you dig holes? You are a liar! Here is the quote WORD FOR WORD... Here it is bigger so the world can see: So who do you think are the 10 best players on the Jets?
At the present moment the NYJs have average to below average personnal. The only desirables they have are Mangold, Rhodes(if he continues his rise from last season) & Graham. You can see that when a OLman like Clement is not offered a contract by 31 other teams & U must know quality OLMan are few & far between. Just like quality D NTs. The same goes for Baker last year when nobody wanted him. You can argue with me about Crotch or Coles & while both maybe a little above average they are surely not game breakers. So did you do what U enlarged many times? Read what I suggested very, very carefully instead of putting a red flag up since I was the poster & maybe you would understand
You still failed to answer the question. Who are the 10 best players on the Jets? I am wagering you couldn't name 5 players.:up:
The ten best players on the Jets in the order I would value them: Kerry Rhodes (draft) Laveranues Coles (trade - and yeah I know but he's on the team due to a trade) Nick Mangold (draft) Chad Pennington (draft) Thomas Jones (trade) Jonathan Vilma (draft) D'Brickashaw Ferguson (draft) Bryan Thomas (draft) Jerrico Cotchery (draft) Dewayne Robertson (draft)
I am taking your list and putting those guys up against the SuperBowl Bears, at those same positions. Kerry Rhodes vs. Mike Brown Laveranues Coles vs Muhsin Muhammad Nick Mangold vs Olin Kreutz Chad Pennington vs Rex Grossman Thomas Jones vs Cedric Benson Jonathan Vilma vs Brian Urlacher D'Brickashaw Ferguson vs John Tait Bryan Thomas vs Lance Briggs Jerrico Cotchery vs Bernard Berrian Dewayne Robertson vs Tank Johnson
try reading what was written. We started OUT BEHIND NE in talent and they significantly improved! We have NOT significantly improved! TJ is an awesome runner but requires a powerful OL. He runs N-S. That piece of the business is not done yet. SECOND best in the division means what to you? To me it means a road( possible) Playoff game in NE. Tough odds to beat. But you conveniently forgot to mention that even tho they started out more talented then us, they CONTINUED to fill all their weaknesses. Now in the DRAFT they can draft the BAP! That is how GREAT teams are built! WOW! Whoopiew! we are second best! Will JETS fans ever wake up and demand greatness rather then to accept mediocrity and brag about it? With some, I don't think so!
Yep. The Jets could make some real hay in the NFC right now. It's a very weak conference and the top teams are about as talented as the 2nd tier contenders in the AFC. The Bears went 2-2 against the AFC East last season and 11-1 against the NFC.
from a Devils advocate standpoint, this isn't fair. You can't take our 10 best, and compare them to another team at those spots if you are judging how we stack up against them. Not when they don't get to include some of their best guys- like Hester, Vasher, Harris, Anderson. Also, Mangold is nice, but NOT better than Olin Kruetz. He's probably the best in the NFL.
BIG DEAL! The BEARS won in a very, very weak division. In the AFc they would not smell the playoffs much less the SB. If you want to compare, try matching us against our chief division rival: NE! That is who we have to beat inorder to get to the SB. The road for us goes through them. It is they who we should be trying to pass in talent acquisition NOT a weak team in a weak conference! Why not match us against the ARENA LEAGUE CHAMPIONS? I am sure that you could build a real case then! LOL
So who are the top 10 Pats? in no particular order: Tom Brady Asante Samuel Richard Seymour Vince Wilfork Rodney Harrison Matt Light Laurence Maroney Tedy Bruschi Addalius Thomas Stallworth
- is as good as we have The big area is QB and they win hands down! Their DL and OL play much better and bigger then ours! You lose!
I read what you wrote about pretty good too bad you could not do the same. Great teams are not built via free agency. So we started out behind NE. That is all the more reason we could not, nor should not emulate their over spending this free agency period. I did not miss that they started out better. Do I really have to dumb down my posts like that? I think it was pretty well implied that I knew NE was already better, way better. Did you quote me without reading what I wrote.............. here read, I took out the non pertinent parts. Sounds like I understood they were already better to me. Wow they filled their weaknesses "Whoopiew". It will take a few years for the Jets to have only 2-3 weaknesses to fill. Right now they have a ton. I thought you were smart enough to realize that elite teams are not built worrying about what other teams are doing. They are built through the draft like NE and filling in through free agency. They most certainly not built throwing up your hands and saying," well fuckit the Patriots did it so should we!". The Jets are not 2-3 players away. Also where did you read I was happy about being second best? It is a simple fact in one year the Jets went from being a one year laughing stock within the division, to being the second best team. Last years draft was excellent and was part and parcel to the jets over achieving last year. I would rather the team be built that way, then the half assed over spend on mediocre players you seem to prefer. comprende?
LOL GREEN MACHINE was stacking the deck to try to win another disagreement! He included STALLWORTH knowing that he has NO record as a PATRIOT but left out Ty Warren conveniently. That is why his whole comparison is faulty! Yes we stack up with the lowly BEARS but they at=ren't the PATS and they are who we MUST beat!
" I thought you were smart enough to realize that elite teams are not built worrying about what other teams are doing. " When you start trying to get personal, you have lost the discussion! BYE !
