Cuz kubiak wants to groom his own qb, and he kind of just inherited carr..bottom line is houston sucks, it doesnt matter if peyton was their QB..they would still be horrid...and peyton would prob be dead from all the sacks
So you would be in favor of cutting Chad and Kellen Clemens, and signing Ryan Leaf? He's more talented than any of them.
Does Carr to the Lions just make too much sense in this situation? Carr taken right before Harrington...Carr can push Kitna for the job in camp. West Coast fits Carr's strengths/weaknesses...Better line than Houston
Apparently Carr holds most of the cards here because he's refusing to renegotiate his contract to make himself more tradeable. My guess is for the right team he'd renegotiate but for a blackhole like Detroit or Oakland he won't.
You mean like dozens of teams have done to dozens of players that turned out to be huge for their next team? The potential for Carr is there. The situation in Texas SUCKS for any QB, and his accuracy, arm strength, and toughness are all pluses at the NFL level.
Just wanted to add one more thought here: in the mid 70's the Jets had a hall of fame caliber running back that they drafted and developed. His name was John Riggins. He had all the tools that a first class halfback of his era needed. He was quick and tough and when he put his shoulder down the defense moved backwards. He also had a pretty weak offensive line in front of him, primarily because people like Dave Herman and Winston Hill were getting old and the replacements weren't there yet. In 1975 the Jets went 3-11 and despite having his first 1,000 yard season Riggins was in disfavor in the organization. He was a bit wild and unruly at times and he didn't exactly impress the Jets with his work ethic on what was a terrible team. The Jets cut him after the season and he wound up signing with Washington, winning a Super Bowl and going to the hall of fame. David Carr is the Texans John Riggins. He's not the reason they're losing and he's going to wind up making them look stupid in the end.
I love extreme examples that could never possibly happen and have little to no relevance on whats happening now.
There's only so many excuses you can make for a QB based on their line. I thought that the line was much better this year than previous years, and Carr really didn't show me anything...I'd rather have CP. CP can at least go beyone his first read, noodle arm or not. Carr is pretty much the same thing as Ramsey, a little more decisive is all. Kubiak is the guy that made gold out of Plummer, and had faith in him. If Kubiak has zero faith in Carr, what does that tell you about the guy? I wouldn't touch him with a 4th and 40 marker.
That's an excellent point regarding Kubiak. The coach of the team is a QB expert, and he doesn't like him. I don't like Carr because he has a funny delivery. He half-arms it. He doesn't bring the ball back far enough. Anyway........I like Chad! He's got heart.
Well the line WAS better this year, they drafted a 1st round talent and a close to 1st round talent in the second and third last year. Unfortunately, they also Charles Spencer, their young LT, early in the season. Spencer was actually playing very well and was considered the guy then and for the future. He was their best linemen by far, and the second best was another rookie (Winston). Their line was very similar to ours this year except like...worse...their best two players were rookies, and they lost the best of those two at the most important position. This sounds like Chad propaganda to me. There isn't a single QB who could do well behind the Texan's line, even King Chad. Who said Kubiak has lost all faith? We know like...nothing about this situation in Texas.
Kubiak may not have said it directly but trading for and then signing Schaub to a 6 year, $48 million dollar contract sure as hell implies it. Unless his intention is to pay a guy starters money to simply compete for the starting QB shot because he still has faith in Carr and simply having a ton of money tied up to QB's makes him sleep better at night.
It has plenty of relevance. He went into a little tirade because I didn't want Carr over Pennington just because he has more talent. Ryan Leaf is one of the most talented QB's to ever play in the NFL, and he is also one of the worst. Talent isn't everything. Leaf might be a extreme example, but he is one of many QB's who has the physical skills to be a great NFL QB and has come up short. There's probably about 25 QB's in the league right now that have more talent than Chad, so would you trade Chad for any of them? Talent isn't everything.
Smith and Kubiak are in a very bad situation with Carr and the fans. The fans have largely given up on him and have started demonizing him as the cause of all the Texans woes. This is politely referred to as mass insanity and next season it will break but Carr will be gone by then. If he winds up on a good team and gets playing time it will probably kill the Texans for quite a long period of time because they still suck and watching Carr play well elsewhere is going to be very painful. I had the good fortune of growing up a Met's fan and I got to see how mediocre players can be lionized (Felix Millan and Ed Kranepool) while very good players (Amos Otis and Nolan Ryan) are shown the door. It was an instructive set of examples to follow over the years.
Peyton Manning is more talented than Chad too. So is John Elway. So is Steve Young. Brett Favre. Whats the connection with Leaf and Carr?
Do you really believe that the fans and the media have all this impact on the Texans decision making? It's obvious that you know a lot about football and are intelligent, so I'd really like to know why you keep suggesting decisions are being based on the media and fans? edit: I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I honestly want to know where you're coming from.
That neither of them has accomplished what Pennington has, so to say we should get either of them and start them over Chad is ridiculous.
Yeah I think in this case the fans and media have a lot more pull than they would otherwise. Why? Well we can start with the frustration of 5 years of basic futility. When a team can't win somebody is going to get blamed. Last year it was Casserly and Capers who were driven out of town. That leaves very few suspects left to be thrown to the wolves and you know Bob McNair, the guy who brought football back to Houston, is not gonna get blamed. Who is left? The QB. Ok, normally you'd think that reason would take over here and the Texans would try to add some good young players on offense to supplement Carr, who is actually a pretty decent QB given his circumstances. The problem is that the Texans so mangled their draft last season, passing on Reggie Bush and not even trading down to make the best of that decision, that they have very little wiggle room with the fans and media. The popular opinion, fostered by a press that has been truly vicious at times, is that the Texans can't win because Carr has no leadership qualities. Never mind that the Texans have allowed 797 pts over the last two seasons, which is enough to sink any team into mediocrity, they also have been terrible on offense with only 527 points scored over that timespan. When an offense falters like that it becomes the reason that a team is failing, at least in the popular perception. And the QB is the fall guy in this case because the Texan's offense has been in retreat for 2 seasons since he led them to 309 points and 7 wins in 2004. If you actually look at the games the Texans have won over the last three years you realize that Carr's play has been pretty steady. He plays fairly well in wins and he plays for the most part fairly well in losses. Oh, he has a couple of stinkers a year (what quarterback not named Manning or Brady doesn't?) and the Texans lose those, but most of their losses are caused by allowing 25+ points or having their running game shut down completely. Changing the QB is not going to do anything to fix that. Put Carr on a decent team and he's going to win 10 games without any problem. Anyway, back to your question: the reason the Texans have lost control of this decision is that so many decisions that they have made over the last 5 years have been bad. Highlighting that is the fact that the team that took Reggie Bush just went from 3-13 to 10-6 and the NFC championship game. It's easier for a bad management team, and the Texans still have bad management, to throw Carr to the wolves and hope things get better next season than to admit that the team has just made all sorts of questionable decisions in it's short lifetime and that's why they're 5 years in and nothing to show for it. One last note: the Texans gave up 2 second round picks and a swap of the 8 for the 10 in this years draft to get Schaub. That's the kind of stupid move that's gotten them in trouble in the first place.
