thats the point...people are questioning the pats FO like they dont know what theyre doing. theyve built championship teams. they know what holes need filling, and the kind of players they want filling them. while DS and KW dont sound like "pats type players", winning def helps a players happiness level, and in turn makes them become better around their teammates. the pats have added and added this offseason. they are a much better team in march than the team that went to the afc championship game. thats not a good thing if youre a jets fan. its that simple.
For every addition there is a subtraction - meaning there are only 11 players on the field. The players who these guys MAY replace including Thomas played well. These players made tackles, caught passes (Gaffney was unreal), etc. and thus the differential may not be as great in reality as it is seemingly on paper.
You don't think Adalius Thomas will be a clear upgrade over Eric Alexander? As for the Patriots wide receivers: they didn't have a credible deep threat other than perhaps Chad Jackson, on paper. Their most reliable receiver, Troy Brown, is older than Marvin Harrison, and barely made the team in 2004.
Actually they did have a credible deep threat, Doug Gabriel, for almost the entire season. I remember watching a game where the announcers were saying that Brady was excited to finally have a guy who can put pressure on the secondary like Gabriel. We all know how well that worked out. Point is, it's good to want to strive to be the best which the Pats have been in the AFC East for years now. Yet, we don't need to build our whole team exactly as they are doing. Obviously, they make deals that don't work out just like every other team in the league. I'm confident Mangini will put his own stamp on this team regardless of what moves the Pats are making.
whatever that was supposed to mean didnt really make sense to me....the facts are they are adding better, more talented guys to their roster this offseason. by your reasoning, they are adding more talent, and subtracting guys that arent as good. to me thats addition BY subtraction...
i agree you have to build your own team and mold it into what it is you want. but acting like you dont need to pay attention to what others in the league, and more to the point the division are doing is unrealistic. we play the pats, bills, and phins twice every year. thats over a third of the schedule every season...how you play within the division will dictate the season. i think it would be irresponsible to not only make the team better, but to make sure we have ppl in place to help beat the three other teams in the east. surely i dont think the FO should just make moves basebd on what the rest of the division does, but it should make you take a closer look at who we have in place, and what we will need to beat those teams consistantly.
Gaffney and Caldwell wish they had Kelley's talent. The only reason he wasn't drafted higher was because he had back surgery after his senior season. IMO there's a reason why teams like the Broncos and Patriots stay in contention year after year. Their respective front offices see their needs and address them. "Tangini" needs to catch on to the concept if they ever have plans on being among the elite. Nuff said!!!
We need a pass rush. If we can get to the QB, our corners will do just fine. If there is a player left with our first round pick that can get the QB I would like to see us get him.
I think you do get it- don't underestimate yourself. The point is that the sky isn't falling and the differential between having Thomas or whatever LB may seem greater on paper than in reality because that whatever LB was a good player who had 40+ tackles and tipped 2 balls that went for interceptions, etc. Do I think they are better with Thomas - assuming everyone around him plays like they did last year - yes, but they aren't superhuman.
Again - let's say because the Pats signed Stallworth, Caldwell is the odd man out. Let's assume Caldwell had 60+ catches. To keep it simple, Stallworth would have to catch more than 60+ to prove that the trade was better. Point being if Caldwell gets cut, there goes his 60+ catches. You can argue that Stallworth adds a speed dimension that opens up opportunities for other receivers or the quality of his catches will exceed Caldwell's which are ligitimate arguments. At the same time Caldwell may do some things that are better than Stallworth.
im not looking or thinking of numbers, im looking at talent. they have become a more talented team. be it on paper, or in real life, they have upgraded themselves a great deal. i dont think its something that you need to muddle with "the numbers" so much as you do with the talent. potential and talent are the areas where the improvement really shows...
This thread makes no sense to me. If you want to focus on the need for a CB, that's fine. I think J-Mills is gonna step up this year but it's a fair point. But the idea that the Jets need a CB because the Pats signed Stallworth is ridiculous. Next season, the Jets will play teams that have great WRs with great QBs to get them the ball (Ex: Chad Johnson). The Jets will play teams that have great WRs with crap QBs who can't get them the ball (Ex: Chris Chambers). The Jets will play teams with bad WRs who have great QBs making them look good (Ex: Reche Caldwell). And the Jets will play teams with bad WRs who have bad QBs throwing to them (Ex: Tim Carter). What does this all mean? Absolutely nothing. This is true for every NFL team. All a GM can do is put together the best team they can. That's what Tanenbaum is doing. I'm sure the Stallworth signing has no effect on his thought process. I think Stallworth falls somewhere between the first and third category but, either way, he does not scare me at all. It's Belicheck and, along with him, the Pats as a team that scares me. One or two signings means nothing in the grand scheme.
