Patriots sign Donte' Stallworth...merged

Nope... I said you where wrong, and then posted the correct link directly under your inaccurate post. Which in truth is a VERY good deal for the pats....Not only that, I was reading on SI.com how Stallworth took less money to play in NE. The titans offered him more money. Couple that with the fact they get him so cheap and have all the power over him in a one ear deal and that makes this deal a winner. Just giving them props on a great signing. I mean its not The Jones pickup, but it is a very good one non the less. Next time you should wait until the actual deal comes out... Then you might not look like so pompus and uninformed. Here are both articles to refresh your memory.....

First article
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/03/11/mmqb/1.html


Of course the actual Stallworth ONE year deal also....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment.

Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season.

It's after the 2007 season, however, when the really big money could kick in.

For the Patriots to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25, 2008. There is a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million due March 1, a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus. That totals an exorbitant $11 million for 2008, or a two-year total of $14.6 million.

To keep Stallworth for 2009, the Patriots would have to pay another option bonus, this one of $2 million, by Feb. 25 of that year. In terms of bonuses and base salary, the 2009 season would be worth $5 million to Stallworth, for a three-year total of $19.6 million.

Elias Says

Donte' Stallworth signed with New England on Sunday, potentially giving the Patriots the type of consistent deep-threat receiver they have not had in decades. Stallworth had 38 receptions at an average of 19.1 yards per catch in 2006 with the Eagles. The last New England player to average more than 19 yards per catch in a season of at least 35 receptions was the Steamer, Stanley Morgan, who averaged 19.5 yards per catch in 1985. Elias Says

The final three seasons of the contract all include workout bonuses of $500,000 each and base salaries of $4 million each. The maximum value of the contract, if the Patriots were to keep Stallworth for all six years, is $33.1 million.

An initial report on ESPN.com saying the deal was worth a guaranteed $12 million was later clarified by a source, who said the deal -- with only one year guaranteed -- gives Stallworth and the Patriots flexibility.

The rationale behind the structure: Stallworth has the opportunity to register a huge season in 2007, playing with quarterback Tom Brady on a team that figures to be a Super Bowl contender. And after the 2007 campaign, the Patriots will have to dig deep to retain him, dramatically rework his contract or allow him to go back into the free-agent market. It was a creative concept developed by Rosenhaus, one accepted by several of the teams bidding for Stallworth, to maximize his client's earning potential. At the same time, it provides New England a big-play threat for at least one season, with the capacity to retain Stallworth beyond that, if desired.

Stallworth, who played last season in Philadelphia after being acquired from the New Orleans Saints, also was being courted by the Eagles, Dolphins and Titans.

 

So I changed some spelling and reposted some links. I also bolded some text. Big deal. You jumped the gun and got the fact's wrong yet again. Which is not big deal, but you act so cocky about it. The funny part is you leave the original post with the incorrect information! This is the link I posted in case you missed it. You know the low cost zero risk one year deal you so said they did not get.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment.

Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season.

It's after the 2007 season, however, when the really big money could kick in.

For the Patriots to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25, 2008. There is a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million due March 1, a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus. That totals an exorbitant $11 million for 2008, or a two-year total of $14.6 million.

To keep Stallworth for 2009, the Patriots would have to pay another option bonus, this one of $2 million, by Feb. 25 of that year. In terms of bonuses and base salary, the 2009 season would be worth $5 million to Stallworth, for a three-year total of $19.6 million.

Elias Says

Donte' Stallworth signed with New England on Sunday, potentially giving the Patriots the type of consistent deep-threat receiver they have not had in decades. Stallworth had 38 receptions at an average of 19.1 yards per catch in 2006 with the Eagles. The last New England player to average more than 19 yards per catch in a season of at least 35 receptions was the Steamer, Stanley Morgan, who averaged 19.5 yards per catch in 1985. Elias Says

The final three seasons of the contract all include workout bonuses of $500,000 each and base salaries of $4 million each. The maximum value of the contract, if the Patriots were to keep Stallworth for all six years, is $33.1 million.

An initial report on ESPN.com saying the deal was worth a guaranteed $12 million was later clarified by a source, who said the deal -- with only one year guaranteed -- gives Stallworth and the Patriots flexibility.

The rationale behind the structure: Stallworth has the opportunity to register a huge season in 2007, playing with quarterback Tom Brady on a team that figures to be a Super Bowl contender. And after the 2007 campaign, the Patriots will have to dig deep to retain him, dramatically rework his contract or allow him to go back into the free-agent market. It was a creative concept developed by Rosenhaus, one accepted by several of the teams bidding for Stallworth, to maximize his client's earning potential. At the same time, it provides New England a big-play threat for at least one season, with the capacity to retain Stallworth beyond that, if desired.

 

you've posted the same article like 23 times already.

 

Didn't you post the original wrong figures as the premise to your nonsense?

 

No I didnt. I said 12 million was not THAT much over six years. Considering Graham just got 15 million over five years and is not even that great of a te. That is all water under the bridge now. The real deal came out and it is a good one. You are grasping at straws. Yet again you post inaccurate figures and spout off with your cocky attitude.

THEN the real figures come out, you are proven wrong, they include all the things you claimed they did not and you look stupid.

You would have thought when you where screaming over the porter deal and proven wrong you would have learned. You already admitted after seeing the true contract paramitors the Stallworth deal was a great one so I wont ask you to eat your words.



First article
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...11/mmqb/1.html


Of course the actual Stallworth ONE year deal also....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment.

Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season.

It's after the 2007 season, however, when the really big money could kick in.

For the Patriots to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25, 2008. There is a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million due March 1, a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus. That totals an exorbitant $11 million for 2008, or a two-year total of $14.6 million.

To keep Stallworth for 2009, the Patriots would have to pay another option bonus, this one of $2 million, by Feb. 25 of that year. In terms of bonuses and base salary, the 2009 season would be worth $5 million to Stallworth, for a three-year total of $19.6 million.

Elias Says

Donte' Stallworth signed with New England on Sunday, potentially giving the Patriots the type of consistent deep-threat receiver they have not had in decades. Stallworth had 38 receptions at an average of 19.1 yards per catch in 2006 with the Eagles. The last New England player to average more than 19 yards per catch in a season of at least 35 receptions was the Steamer, Stanley Morgan, who averaged 19.5 yards per catch in 1985. Elias Says

The final three seasons of the contract all include workout bonuses of $500,000 each and base salaries of $4 million each. The maximum value of the contract, if the Patriots were to keep Stallworth for all six years, is $33.1 million.

An initial report on ESPN.com saying the deal was worth a guaranteed $12 million was later clarified by a source, who said the deal -- with only one year guaranteed -- gives Stallworth and the Patriots flexibility.

The rationale behind the structure: Stallworth has the opportunity to register a huge season in 2007, playing with quarterback Tom Brady on a team that figures to be a Super Bowl contender. And after the 2007 campaign, the Patriots will have to dig deep to retain him, dramatically rework his contract or allow him to go back into the free-agent market. It was a creative concept developed by Rosenhaus, one accepted by several of the teams bidding for Stallworth, to maximize his client's earning potential. At the same time, it provides New England a big-play threat for at least one season, with the capacity to retain Stallworth beyond that, if desired.

Stallworth, who played last season in Philadelphia after being acquired from the New Orleans Saints, also was being courted by the Eagles, Dolphins and Titans.

 

The real deal has one year gauranteed. There is a 5 year option. Who cares about the 12 mill, that figure was inaccurate, just like you whole post. I was commenting on what you wrote.. Which was wrong to begin with : )


The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment.

Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season.

It's after the 2007 season, however, when the really big money could kick in.

 

Another point... The patriots get Stallworth for peanuts this year with the ability to sign him long term if he works out. The way the contract is structured the pats have zero to no risk in this deal. They hold the power. If they decide to extend Stallworth he will make 1 million less per year then Deion Branch wanted, and got in Seattle. Stallworth has missed less games over the same amount of time as Branch. He has double the td's, a better average, and is a real deep threat. He is also bigger stronger and more talented naturally. Working with Brady could bring out what he really has in there. Over the last 44 games he has missed 4. Since he could have made more money with the Titans he ob really want to play there. The Titans offer had more money in all phazes of there deal.

They got Stallworth, 1 million less per year in salery (if they extend him in 08) and a first round pick in the 24th spot for letting Branch walk for 6.5 million a year.


Very nice pick up.

Branch:........67 266 3469 51.8 13.0 66 3.8 180 18
Stallworth:....68 233 3516 51.7 15.1 84 5.8 160 28

 

They got them both for cheap money in one years deals. Stallworth could have made more money as a Titan and he turned it down to play for NE. The fact he would sign a contract giving the patriots the ability to cut him if he did not perform shows he wants to show them he can win. That also shows maturity. Washington came on board for 300 grand in a one year deal, when he could have made more money in Miami..... There rift was over five years ago and people grow up. This is the same paper that was running stories when Corey Dillon came into town. Both these guys have contract's which only reward them if they perform... You are trying to find any shred of pure speculation to support your inaccurate original statement. Since Washington and Stallworth "might" have had a rift 5 years ago when they where kids picking them up for peanuts when you need wr's immediatley was a terrible move. You originally said you would appluad the Stallworth deal if it included some of the term you thought it did not. Now you think it is a bad move after finding out it includes all the protection clauses you thought it lacked, is a one year deal and gives the pats the ability to walk away in 08. The kid is on the books for under 3 million this year, that deal was a no brainer for them. People had the same reservations about Corey Dillon. Neither Stallworth nor Washington where ever arrested.

Btw the end of the article kinda goes against what the whole thing is about.

“I believe that’s definitely miscommunication,” Washington said. “The media kind of grabbed hold of something and totally blew it way out of proportion. . . . There are definitely no hard feelings between either one of us. I think deep down, and you’ll see when we get there, we’re just dedicated to winning and being the best professionals we can be.”


Please tell me how adding Sammy Morris to replace Dillon and flank Lourance Maroney was a bad deal? Then tell me how adding Kyle brady to block was a bead deal when they have an emerging star in David Thomas and a another solid tight end in Ben Watson. To keep Graham they would have had to match the 15 million gauranteed Denver gave him, He is not worth that. Especially in there system where he basically is used to block. They saved money on both those deals... Corey was going to make close to 5 million and is clearly not worth that anymore.

The Thomas deal was the one deal they spent on... Althought the "spent" on colvin years ago. He fits there system perfectly. Belichick ob got to see his stuff coaching him for a week at the pro bowl. They needed a versitile lb immediatly to step in while they draft and develope a guy behind him. There was no lb better for Belichicks system then Thomas. Considering the small cap hits they contrsucted with this guy and the fact he could have made more money in Sf but decided to play for the pats maed it another good move.

The patriots used all there cap space to take care of there own players last last year. In every sb year they spent right up to the cap. In 2001 they had 17 free agents starting on the team. None of this is new. The only difference is they had 29 million bucks and finally had none of there own players to worry about. They still have over 8 million in cap space, if they draft well they will have ahad a great offseason. Nine picks and 2 first rounders will give them flexibility.

 

You mean stallworth and Washington? All the other guys are considered to have good charector. Especially Adalius. Stallworth and Washington have never been arrested. No different then Corey Dillon when they brought him in. They both took less money to play in NE, and both have contracts that are not expensive and zero risk for the pats. Immature players do not sign contracts for short money, where they have to prove themselves, and hold zero power (other then playing well) dictating there future with the team. Don't remember either guy actually being suspended or anything like that. Until that happens you are speculating.......

Again, getting a guy like Thomas for less then he could have made with another team is not "overpaying". The market dictates what a player makes and it will only get bigger. When the cap inflates again none of these deals will look so huge. Wait until 3 years from now when the jets need and immediate puzzle piece. Overpaying would have been the pats paying more then Thomas was offered from his highest bidder. They did the opposite, they got him for less then everyone else was offering to pay him. No different then when they opened the check book for Colvin. A good move to fill a immediate viod while they develope a young lb they draft. No better fa to fill the void. Graham just got 15 million gauranteed over 5 years and is not that good of a tight end. There where far bigger deal for players with far less talent then Adalius, you are picking on the pats since you dislike them them. They got a player for LESS then he could have made in the current market.

Not shure how they overpayed for Brady and Morris. Morris is against the cap for much less then Dillon was scheduled to make (4.5 million). Maroney is "the guy". They saved money and cap space on that move. Dillon is finished and Morris is a fine vet to fill a small role.

Brady is against the cap for a little under under a few million. He is there to block and be a number three guy behind Watson and Thomas who emerged last year. Graham would have cost them at least 3 million a year to keep. Not sure how they didnt save money on that move also.


Since the pats had 17 free agents in 2001 and since they have 9 million left after all there moves (when they spent all there cap in all previous sb years) dont really get your logic. If you actually looked at the cap you would see how small all these free agents cap hits are...

They could not have possibly drafted all there needs. If you think they could you are just acting like a homer for the jets. To many immeduiate needs to utalize only the draft... They are going to have to use all nine of those picks to fill other holes and add depth as positions like lb , wr, ss and cb. You cannot draft immediate needs and bank that they are going to work out. They have nine picks and two first rounders, they will draft smart and fill the rest of there holes. Stop comapring how the jets handle free agency to a sb caliber team that has already established its core. When the jets are in the same boat as the pats they will use free agency the same way. They are rebuilding like the pats did arent they? You cannot base your ALL your team needs on the draft. Not when you have 29 million in cap space. Not when you are a contender with immediate needs to fill, to remain a contender. You use both the best you can. Since the pats had 29 mill to start with, and still have 9 million left, I would think they did alright in free agency. Highlighted by the fact they used there cap money to lock up there rest of there roster last year. Lets see if they back it up with a good draft. They worked out Beason and Nelson yeasterday. They also worked out Lorenzo Booker, prob as a third round pickup to replace Faulk when he is done.

 

This post answers the same questions with more detail, hence using it twice.


You mean stallworth and Washington? All the other guys are considered to have good charector. Especially Adalius. Stallworth and Washington have never been arrested. No different then Corey Dillon when they brought him in. They both took less money to play in NE, and both have contracts that are not expensive and zero risk for the pats. Immature players do not sign contracts for short money, where they have to prove themselves, and hold zero power (other then playing well) dictating there future with the team. Don't remember either guy actually being suspended or anything like that. Until that happens you are speculating.......

Again, getting a guy like Thomas for less then he could have made with another team is not "overpaying". The market dictates what a player makes and it will only get bigger. When the cap inflates again none of these deals will look so huge. Wait until 3 years from now when the jets need and immediate puzzle piece. Overpaying would have been the pats paying more then Thomas was offered from his highest bidder. They did the opposite, they got him for less then everyone else was offering to pay him. No different then when they opened the check book for Colvin. A good move to fill a immediate viod while they develope a young lb they draft. No better fa to fill the void. Graham just got 15 million gauranteed over 5 years and is not that good of a tight end. There where far bigger deal for players with far less talent then Adalius, you are picking on the pats since you dislike them them. They got a player for LESS then he could have made in the current market.

Not shure how they overpayed for Brady and Morris. Morris is against the cap much less then Dillon was scheduled to make (4.5 million). Maroney is "the guy". They saved money and cap space on that move. Dillon is finished and Morris is a fine vet to fill a small role.

Brady is against the cap for a little under under a few million. He is there to block and be a number three guy behind Watson and Thomas who emerged last year. Graham would have cost them at least 3 million a year to keep. Not sure how they didnt save money on that move also.


Since the pats had 17 free agents in 2001 and since they have 9 million left after all there moves (when they spent all there cap in all previous sb years) dont really get your logic. If you actually looked at the cap you would see how small all these free agents cap hits are...

They could not have possibly drafted all there needs. If you think they could you are just acting like a homer for the jets. To many immeduiate needs to utalize only the draft... They are going to have to use all nine of those picks to fill other holes and add depth as positions like lb , wr, ss and cb. You cannot draft immediate needs and bank that they are going to work out. They have nine picks and two first rounders, they will draft smart and fill the rest of there holes. Stop comapring how the jets handle free agency to a sb caliber team that has already established its core. When the jets are in the same boat as the pats they will use free agency the same way. They are rebuilding like the pats did arent they? You cannot base your ALL your team needs on the draft. Not when you have 29 million in cap space. Not when you are a contender with immediate needs to fill, to remain a contender. You use both the best you can. Since the pats had 29 mill to start with, and still have 9 million left, I would think they did alright in free agency. Highlighted by the fact they used there cap money to lock up there rest of there roster last year. Lets see if they back it up with a good draft. They worked out Beason and Nelson yeasterday. They also worked out Lorenzo Booker, prob as a third round pickup to replace Faulk when he is done.