Thank you. That was my main reason to post what I did in this thread. Had junc waited until the true terms of the deal came out, he would have seen that everything he said this contract was lacking, is actually included in the deal. The pats have no risk in this deal, and hold all the power. They get stallworth for a great price this year, and have the abilty to nix his deal in 08 if they feel like it, or extend him.... The contract includes protection from suspension and rewards performance. They have the abilty to extend him for five years, and get a top notch wr for fair money. They can also tell him to take a hike if they do not like any aspect of how things are going after 07. If they decide to extend him, obvioulsy he turned out to be a top flight guy for them and deserves his 12 mill garanteed over 6 years. If Stallworth performes well enough for the to extend him, they will have gotten another Dion Branch, and saved money in the process. They also netted a first round pick for old Dieon when he walked. Either way, they can restructure Stallworth during the latter years if they decide to extend him. I would think Brady might be able to get the best out of this kid. They could draft a wr develope him then cut Stallworth loose in 08. It is up to them, the first year money is small for his talent..... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615 I was just ackowledging they made a great move today.... Just as some of there member's did on patsfans.com when we got TJ in a very very good deal, which it was.
You're getting your Pats fans confused. The guy who didn't watch the playoffs and made stuff up about Thomas Jones not being used was TonyIommi.
A true Patriots fan wouldn't register and post on a messageboard under the username "jetsman". You do know that, right?
I said I was a jets fan.... Just because I call out false information does not change that. This post is factual and up to date. I call out the pats homers on the other boards all the time. Anyway, does it really matter? This is the internet and frankly I am going to post anything I like as long as it is not offensive or derogatory to other members. When I proved you wrong I did it respectfully after you asking me "if I could read"... Only problem was you where reading the wrong information and you where wrong. I am not trying to offend you. "Thank you. That was my main reason to post what I did in this thread. Had junc waited until the true terms of the deal came out, he would have seen that everything he said this contract was lacking, is actually included in the deal. The pats have no risk in this deal, and hold all the power. They get stallworth for a great price this year, and have the abilty to nix his deal in 08 if they feel like it, or extend him.... The contract includes protection from suspension and rewards performance. They have the abilty to extend him for five years, and get a top notch wr for fair money. They can also tell him to take a hike if they do not like any aspect of how things are going after 07. If they decide to extend him, obvioulsy he turned out to be a top flight guy for them and deserves his 12 mill garanteed over 6 years. If Stallworth performes well enough for the to extend him, they will have gotten another Dion Branch, and saved money in the process. They also netted a first round pick for old Dieon when he walked. Either way, they can restructure Stallworth during the latter years if they decide to extend him. I would think Brady might be able to get the best out of this kid. They could draft a wr develope him then cut Stallworth loose in 08. It is up to them, the first year money is small for his talent..... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615 I was just ackowledging they made a great move today.... Just as some of there member's did on patsfans.com when we got TJ in a very very good deal, which it was."
What exactly was I wrong about? I've pointed out three times in this thread where you said things which are factually incorrect. Fact is, you're a pats fan who just registered on these boards to troll under the guise of being a Jets fan. And I said I'm Superman.
You where quoting numbers from the first contract which where incorrect. I posted the correct contract, which you did not realize debunked some of the figures you threw out there (which you where getting from the original, and incorrect contract in the very first post of this thread). You thought I was talking about the incorrect contract because you did not read it, but in reality I had posted the most recent and different deal that included all the things the first guy claimed where left out of the deal. I dont really care what you think of my "fan" status. get over it, I am going to post what I want to as long as it is not attacking anyone. Once again the true contract paramitors........... Top free agents StallworthWide receiver Donte' Stallworth is No. 9 on ESPN.com's list of the top NFL free agents on the market. Story • Scouting report The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment. Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season. One year deal for at most 3.6.... 5 year option with 12 mill gauranteed including the first years salery (6 years 12 million garanteed total).... If he makes the pro bowl obv this discussion has then become totally irrelevent. We are talking posted numbers.... Not incentives you are making up.
I think I know about? Fact: The Stallworth contract includes incentives. I pointed that out and therefore I'm wrong? I guess you don't like the truth. That's ok, I understand.
I have been on topic all thread. I called it a good deal because it is. 1 year for a few mill with the ability to axe him in 08 if he does not perform up to there standards? 1 year garanteed ,with the option for 5 more years if her performs is a good deal.The ability to control this guys destiny with them is valuable.... He has to perform to earn his option in 08. If he is playing at the level needed to get that option the deal is still good for that level of reciever. If he becomes "the guy" they think he will playing with Brady, they exercise the option to net him 12 mill over 6 years. If they exercise the extension obv he turned out to be a top level guy for them. They get a Branch or better ,cheaper, plus a 1st rounder if it works out. Nice pick up. If they dont want him, they cut him after a years service and start the wr they draft this season who developed behind him. Or just cut ties and move on at little expense. not like they would have to worry if they extended him anyway... Later on jus restructure or franchise him....It aint no Jones deal, but it is a nice one. If someone posted the accurate deal maybe this would stay on topic. The original post is inacurate, and jumps to conclusions, in an attempt to bash. Only problem was, when the actual deal came out ( later on the same website) he was exposed.... It was a very nice deal.not a jones deal like I said before, but a good one. actual contract http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615
http://blog.nj.com/timesupdates/2007/03/stallworth_leaves_eagles.html oops. You seem to be wrong again. I'm shocked.
That says the exact same thing as the full article on espn. They took the first part from the full article saying he will get 3.6 garanteed this year. Obv it is a one year deal if they have the option to cut or EXTEND him after the 07 season. Which would net him the full worth of the 12 million over six years. You understand that the guaranteed figure is the only numer that matters right. They would have to exercise the option to trigger the full deal. It is a one year deal unless the pats make it a 6 year deal. Once again I was commenting on the official release on espn.com.. If he gets the 400 thousand dollar pro bowl options good for him, lol. He will have earned much more then they are giving him this year. They have all the power in this deal, good move.... Jones move by us was better. ESPN.com StallworthWide receiver Donte' Stallworth is No. 9 on ESPN.com's list of the top NFL free agents on the market. Story The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment. Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season. It's after the 2007 season, however, when the really big money could kick in. For the Patriots to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25, 2008. There is a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million due March 1, a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus. That totals an exorbitant $11 million for 2008, or a two-year total of $14.6 million. To keep Stallworth for 2009, the Patriots would have to pay another option bonus, this one of $2 million, by Feb. 25 of that year. In terms of bonuses and base salary, the 2009 season would be worth $5 million to Stallworth, for a three-year total of $19.6 million. The final three seasons of the contract all include workout bonuses of $500,000 each and base salaries of $4 million each. The maximum value of the contract, if the Patriots were to keep Stallworth for all six years, is $33.1 million. An initial report on ESPN.com saying the deal was worth a guaranteed $12 million was later clarified by a source, who said the deal -- with only one year guaranteed -- gives Stallworth and the Patriots flexibility. The rationale behind the structure: Stallworth has the opportunity to register a huge season in 2007, playing with quarterback Tom Brady on a team that figures to be a Super Bowl contender. And after the 2007 campaign, the Patriots will have to dig deep to retain him, dramatically rework his contract or allow him to go back into the free-agent market. It was a creative concept developed by Rosenhaus, one accepted by several of the teams bidding for Stallworth, to maximize his client's earning potential. At the same time, it provides New England a big-play threat for at least one season, with the capacity to retain Stallworth beyond that, if desired. Stallworth, who played last season in Philadelphia after being acquired from the New Orleans Saints, also was being courted by the Eagles, Dolphins and Titans. Stallworth, 26, had 38 catches for 725 yards and five touchdowns for the Eagles in 2006. A first-round choice of the Saints in the 2002 draft, he has 233 career receptions for 3,516 yards and 28 touchdowns in 68 games, including 44 starts. League and union officials are investigating a Philadelphia Inquirer report that Stallworth is in the NFL's substance-abuse program, sources from both parties told ESPN.com. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615
how about actually reading it? My point was that there are incentives. I never said that it was a 6 year deal. I know it's a one year deal that they can choose to extend. I told you there were incentives included. You said I was wrong. So yeah, I wasn't wrong about anything in this thread.
Once again, I said I was commenting soley on the official article on espn. In that article there is no pro bowl incentives mentioned. There are pro bowl/performance incentives in every contract. One does not assume they will automatically be factored into a base salery of guaranteed money. I did not assume Stallworth would be an automatic beast to recieve the extra cash for turning out to be a pro bowl caliber player. So yes you are correct, if Stallworth has a monster season he can net an extra 400 thousand bucks on top off his base number for the one year deal. In that case this deal would go from a great no risk pick up, to a extremley great no risk pick up.... 12 mill guaranteed over 6 years is a nice deal for a real quality wr, that makes pro bowls, and meets all his performance incentives. I do not put much stock in random articles without conformation, I have heard conformation to the recent espn article (by the Boston Globe) so I commented on it. I was commenting on this... Top free agents StallworthWide receiver Donte' Stallworth is No. 9 on ESPN.com's list of the top NFL free agents on the market. Story The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment. Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season. It's after the 2007 season, however, when the really big money could kick in An initial report on ESPN.com saying the deal was worth a guaranteed $12 million was later clarified by a source, who said the deal -- with only one year guaranteed -- gives Stallworth and the Patriots flexibility.
FACT: upon a cursory scan of your posts, you have done absolutely nothing but argue the merits of moves made by rival teams of the Jets, and also defend Tom Brady. You are a Pats fan. That's not a disputable issue.
Just posting the facts Boss... It is what it is. Giving them credit on a nice pickup for a great price and virtualy no risk. The Jones deal was better... But this was a good one to, pats or not. Stallworth Wide receiver Donte' Stallworth is No. 9 on ESPN.com's list of the top NFL free agents on the market. Story The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment. Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season. It's after the 2007 season, however, when the really big money could kick in An initial report on ESPN.com saying the deal was worth a guaranteed $12 million was later clarified by a source, who said the deal -- with only one year guaranteed -- gives Stallworth and the Patriots flexibility. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Again you will spew this nonsense, I posted the link to the deal reported by ESPN. usually the #s are correct but they weren't this time. NOW I think it's a very good signing b/c it's low risk. By the way, here's a good article about NE's offseason: http://sportsline.com/columns/story/10055176/1
When the $12 mil guaranteed was reported you said it was a great deal, if it was $100 mil guarnteed for mosi Tatupu you's say it was a great deal- you are a Pats fan.
