Yeah, that's what I'm sayin'. Stallworth is a better player than Caldwell and Gaffney. I would prefer the Jets to draft a linemen in round 1 as I'm a proponent of the old school thinking above. Hopefully, Josh Wilson will last till the 59th pick. He is short, but is explosive and has quick hips. The corners who will be drafted ahead of him are all more stiff.
This is true, but one can make he argument why pay so much for a guy is nothing more than an upgrade over Caldwell and Gaffney? That is't exactly saying much..
I think the Patriots wanted a quality deep threat and they didn't really have one till today. Gaffney, Caldwell, Welker, and Jackson are not what I would call deep threats.
I agree. I guess what I'm getting at, is sure, the Patriots got somewhat better today...I just question their sources and the high level investments.
I was about to argue with you and say hey, we play the Pats twice a year and in order to win the division and go anywhere in the playoffs we need to go through them, BUT you convinced me. I like what you said in that second paragraph. If this is just one last attempt to win a Super Bowl by them, and everything they have done has suggested that, then why compensate for a guy like stallworth for 1 season? We do need to build a foundation to build on for not just this year but the next 7 or 8 years with these draft picks. Whoever falls to us with that first round pick, we should take him. We shouldnt take a lower value CB with that pick to compensate for Stallworth when we can get a guy who can become a domninant player against the Pats for years.
One last Super Bowl run? Get real: The Pats Super Bowl run is only just beginning. The owner -- greedy douchebag that he is, is driven and organized, and is in it for the long haul. The Patriots were a play away from winning the AFC Championship and you know what they would've done to Grossman in the Super Bowl. They were a play away with two cast-off wide receivers, an aging linebacker core, missing their all-pro safety, and with a key running back and TE they decided they didn't need a week later. This offseason they're restocking with an All-Pro LB in his prime, two 1st round draft picks and the WR pick-ups. Thomas Jones was a great signing--but we are still behind the Patriots and losing ground. The Jets are going 70 mph, but the Pats are going 110. The Jets need to raise their sense of urgency. This dragon is not getting older and it's not going to die of attrition, disinterest or self-satisfaction. The only way it dies is when the Jets rise up and cut off it's f---g head.
If that's all the case, why vastly overpay for these fre agents like they have, which totally goes against their traditional "formula" for winning? If they thoight this FA group was elite, they either have an extremely good scouting dept. or a very bad one, as no one except for the Redskins and niners(who are building a new era and have a ton of cap space) share those sentiments.
The Jets are not cutting the Pats head off, we are not even in the same class as the Pats or a handful of the other elite teams in the AFC. The Jets are at least 2 more drafts and an off season away from us even knowing if we are going to be in a position to compete at a high level let alone cut off the head of the Pats.
The Patriots made a decision to spend some money this off season. They are in no way making one last run at a superbowl. They have great lines on both sides of the ball signed for the long term with the exception of Ty Warren. They have the probably the best qb in the NFL. They draft as well if not better then any other team in the league. They spent some money but besides Thomas I'd be willing to bet they can cut any of the guys they signed after one year and it wouldn't be a bad cap hit. They key for them is that both lines are in place so they can spend the money on luxuries like Thomas and Wes Welker. We are not in a position yet to be throwing around money at non lineman. Until we can run the ball and stop the run everything else is meaningless.
3.6 million for one year is all the Pats are on the hook for. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615
i don't think your looking at these fa pickup's by the pats with logic. the fa they got fill holes that they needed to fill and did so even before the draft arrives. as far as over paying, i don't see it. 2 1/2 mill a year for welker=fair value. 7 1/2 mill for thomas was less than what the market was predicting(10 mill) then 5 mill a year for stallworth is a lot less than what they would have had to pay branch if they gave in to his demands. and if you look at the years 2002 to 2006, stallworth has better #'s than branch and played in more games than branch (so called injury prone). all and all looks like some smart fa pickups to me. that team is still very young and talented (afcc game last year) and looks to be set at another run at a dynasty to me. to say they are desperate is ignoring whats really happening before your eyes b/c i think you don't want to believe it. that team is stacked. they have the reciever (jackson) coming into only his second year(usually takes three for a reciever to become effective) and then on top of that, they have two first round draft picks to stock up for the future. hardly looks desperate to me. you can be a homer but you can still admit what thepats are doing is not good for the rest of the afc east or the league for that matter.
Stallworth is decent, but I think that we needed to upgrade our CB depth no matter what. Hopefully this will add further incentive for us to go hard after a good corner or 2 in the draft and FA.
Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan We can't worry about what the Pats are doing. These moves just SCREAM that they are making one more desperate attempt at a Super Bowl. You can make the arguement all day long that it is all based on the salary cap # sky-rocketing in 2-3 years, but the fact is, you don't give a career underachieving # 2 WR, and a KR/# 3 WR the lucrative deals that the Pats did, unless they truly are making one last push. This year's FA class just doesn't warrant the crazy spending they are doing unless they truly are desperate. Additionally, history points that these desperate attempts fail everytime. Pats have rented Stallworth for 1 yr at 3.6 million. After that Jackson should be ready to take over. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615
OMG... the PATS signed anther FA!!!! We need now need 3 more Cornerbacks that are first day picks and 2 DT's in the first round... Common... 1. We can not base the focus of our organization on what others in the league and division do. Yes the Pats have improved, but they are working with a full cupboard. We, on the other hand, are not. 2. We made the playoffs last year though... We improved!!!... I say, FARSE. We didn't really improve, we beat teams that were worse than we were, and were aided by a WEAK SCHEDULE, and were lucky to see Chad play at the level he did. Lucky is more than likely an understatement. 3. We have a lot of holes, and lack of quality depth. This year, as we play a much tougher schedule that fact will rear it's ugly head. We upgraded talent wise last year, but this team is still 2 QUALITY drafts and FA periods away from being able to operate at the level of a team like the Pats are operating right now. They can afford to operate that way because of a young strong core on BOTH LINES, with a RB and a QB to boot. We are building our lines as it stands now, but they need more talent. It's just the truth. 4. And this is my final thought for now. We aren't as good as the PATS, thats a fact right now. But thats why you play the games. Don't be surprised to see the Jets finish 8-8 or 9-7 and possibly not make the playoffs this year. The road to hoe is much tougher than last year. MUCH. We play a playoff teams schedule. Now lets not mis-interpret what I'm saying here. The Jets are going to be a much better team that they were last year. They will be in every game, and most likely won't beat themselves. We will loose games, much like last year, in the trenches. I'm thinkin we will have a worse record than last year. Sometimes you have to take a step back before you can get a lot better. With last years success in mind, I'm thinking this will definatly be the case this year. Just a dose of reality... I could be wrong, and hope I am. Ellis
It really seems to me that a lot of people are confused by what the Patriots are doing this off-season. This is in no way "One Last Push". They paid some money out this off-season because they can easily win the Super Bowl this year and build for the future at the same time. Chicago could have never kept up with any of the top 4 AFC teams let alone Brady. The Patriots have been building for a few years now, their LB's were getting older and extremly banged up the past few years. By singing an All-Pro in Adalius Thomas they solved that problem real quick and will now build their LB core around him. I am sure they will get another LB with one of their first rounders. They also had a big need with a KR/PR/WR due to the fact that Troy Brown isnt getting younger. Wes Welker is a great team player with a high motor. He is a flex option and is only 25 turning 26. I highly disagree that they overpaid for this player also. Put Welker with a smart and talented QB like Tom Brady and he will flourish. They just signed a Wayne Chrebet and Justin Miller in one signing. Great signing if you ask me. Donte' Stallworth gives Tom Brady that deep threat that he has never had. I admit they might have overpaid a bit for a 28 year old burner with an injury history. But they have the money to spend and turned it into a very friendly contract for the first few years. If things dont work out after 2 years im sure they will restructure. But Stallworth is a hell of a player if he can manage to stay on the field. The Patriots made it to the AFC Championship game without one of their key defensive players in Harrison, an old and banged up LB core, an aging RB in Corey Dillon, and a cast of wash up Recievers. I still feel Reche Caldwell was the main reason they didnt win the Superbowl. They go out this off season and bring in Thomas, Stallworth, and Welker and also have 4 picks in the Top 100 of the draft. But most here will still call them losers and compare them to the Redskins. I can bet New England will not get into cap trouble by their spending this off-season. It can also be guaranteed that they are not making "One Last Push" Youth™
b4 the pats signed anyone...we needed 1 if not 2 cb's anyway according to the FO we have dyson and poteat starting right now that's not good and they have said so ....barrett has nagging injuries, coleman is young and cant be expected to step up, and miller is worthless and not even a cb in some peoples eyes... we are going to draft a cb on day 1...and if we decide to cut barrett then i wouldnt be surprised to see us sign a FA like harper all we can do is wait
hey ellis, nice to see a football fan on the board, doesn't happen enough. thanks for the honest outlook of our jets. i get attacked once in a while b/c i don't post with my green glasses on (threw them away years ago). too many predict great things (wishful thinking mostly) and(know it alls) and then at the end of the year post all the negitive crap when reallity sinks in. nice to see (1st) a jet fan and secondly a football fan who actually watches the game without the green glasses.
Stallworth is an injury waiting to happen and has been for most of his career. Decent signing but not one that will make or break Pats chances next year. That being said, I agree that CB is one of our top 3 priorities for this draft(along with DT and Pass Rushing LB/DE). I think our first pick should be used on a Pass Rushing LB or DE. Really could use some more speed and pressure off the edges on our D. Our 2nd pick would be very well spent on a quality CB that can play opposite Dyson.
