Scratch's head? I was just debating with you. I was calling another poster a troll, not you. I pointed him out to plasticsloth. You argued your point fine, intelligent and all I have no problems with that.:up:
Oh, ok.. I thought you where talking to me. My mistake! I HOPE I am wrong. Nothing more then I would like to see then the Jets taking out the pats!I am a newbie to the forums, can you tell ; ) I think this backloading "pill" shit is dumb. What the pats are doing is making it impossible for the Dolphins to match there offer, and paying this guy much less then the total number would lead people to believe.I would jump for joy is this guy was actually going to get 38 mill!
To be honest no. The fact you were making a rationale argument threw me for a loop. Welcome aboard, you will be much appreciated here if that is indicative of how you are going to post! Sometimes I get pissed at a person then re read their post and say whoops........... I do it all the time.
Wes Welker will be the beginning of the Patriot's empire falling to the ground...what a waste of money.
Not if he does what they think he will do. This Wes scrub is not going to get anything close to 38 mill under the real contract paramitors. 61 receptions for over 700 yards in that mess of a program in miami is nothing to ignore. They want him due to his versatility, not to be "the guy". He will be very effective in the slot, and bring a lot to special teams. The sad thing is they have money to burn this year, and they are using it. Brown is 37 and this dude has a comparable skill set to him when he was young. This is not there stud reciever pick up. I think they are going to trade down with one of the first rounders and draft Rice and Gonzalez. That is if they do not make a trade for a true playmaker wr with a first round pick. Just how I see it. i hope they do not go after Patrick Willis! There is def upside in this kid in the correct system, imo. Shefter thinks this guy is a "steal" for a second round pick. Everyone has an opinion! Hopefully they will be wrong. The fact the patsies have 2 first rounders allows them to basically have a free second round pick. They have the money and like what they have seen from this kid....
Miami, do I have to wait a certain amount of time before I can quote posts? I seem to only be able to use the quick reply feature! Thank you for the welcome. Go jets!
I think 10 posts. I am relatively new here too. However I have been on various fishing and poker forums for a long long time, so I am old hat at sarcasm and posting and all that stuff.
between keeping Asante Samuel, signing Adalius and Wes....do you guys have any idea how much money the patriots just spent per year? for this year, im sure its almost if not close to 20 million....they are setting themsleves up for failure in the future...and we can only like these boneheaded desparate deals that they are making... i see this as a good thing
They had 29 million in cap space. 26.5 plus 2.5 million after cutting Dillon. You do not sound very objective. Did you see how much money clements just got? Asanti is better then Clement. They franchised him for 7 million. That is a massive bargain for Asanti in this market. At worst they will get a boatload for him in a trade in 2008. Thomas was a huge pickup, calling that desperate is ignorant. The guys is a total monster. He is projected to cost them between 7.5 and 9 mill this year. K brady was a good pick up to replace Graham. He is not as good, but he is a good blocker. D Thomas emerged last year as a great catching Te and Watson is there all purpose te. K Brady is there to block and that is it. To resign Graham it would have cost them huge money. Wess is a guy with a ton off upside for that system. They did not offer him a deal to be Steve Smith. They want him for his moter, his versatility and his effectiveness in the slot. He also is a explosive punt returner. The dude had 68 receptions and over 700 yards catching balls from scrubs in miami. I think Brady might be a better guy to work with the Joey Harrington. Wess is not going to cost anywhere near 38 million. He brings a comparable skill set to a youngTroy Brown( who is going to retire) That contract is so backloaded with dead money, t is not even funny. We dont even know what they offered him in gaurenteed money yet. it aint not 38 mill, thats for sure. They know what they are doing with the cap and had a ton of money to sped. Couple that with 2 first round picks and the ability to evaluate talent I would think about those statements before making them. I would think they are still at least 8 mil under the cap. Just how I see it.
They had 29 million in cap space. 26.5 plus 2.5 million after cutting Dillon. You do not sound very objective. Did you see how much money clements just got? Asanti is better then Clement. They franchised him for 7 million. That is a massive bargain for Asanti in this market. At worst they will get a boatload for him in a trade in 2008. Thomas was a huge pickup, calling that desperate is ignorant. The guys is a total monster. He is projected to cost them between 7.5 and 9 mill this year. K brady was a good pick up to replace Graham. He is not as good, but he is a good blocker. D Thomas emerged last year as a great catching Te and Watson is there all purpose te. K Brady is there to block and that is it. To resign Graham it would have cost them huge money. Wess is a guy with a ton off upside for that system. They did not offer him a deal to be Steve Smith. They want him for his moter, his versatility and his effectiveness in the slot. He also is a explosive punt returner. The dude had 68 receptions and over 700 yards catching balls from scrubs in miami. I think Brady might be a better guy to work with the Joey Harrington. Wess is not going to cost anywhere near 38 million. He brings a comparable skill set to a youngTroy Brown( who is going to retire) That contract is so backloaded with dead money, t is not even funny. We dont even know what they offered him in gaurenteed money yet. it aint not 38 mill, thats for sure. They know what they are doing with the cap and had a ton of money to sped. Couple that with 2 first round picks and the ability to evaluate talent I would think about those statements before making them. I would think they are still at least 8 mil under the cap. Just how I see it. Just how I see it. Dont worry about them, they went through what we are going through in 2001. We will be there one day.
Clements > Samuel and 7 million is still way too much for Samuel IMO ever wonder why all CBs are successful in NE? look at the front 7 i never said the Thomas signing was desparate, I was implying that the spending binge and the reach and ridiculous contract for Welker contributes it to be a reach, not to mention giving up a 2nd rounder on what I see as a 2nd tier WR at best and a decent to good ST player...but that contract....whoops! ps- i know youre new, but beware of the double post
I respect your opinion, but I can guarantee you Asanti Samuel would have comanded more then 7 mill in the open market.There is no better option other then Clements. I am sorry for the double post. They are not giving up a second round pick in reality. They have two first rounders that they can use. In a draft where out of the top 12 the recievers are projected to have the same level of talent in the second round, using one of the two first rounders to get 2 picks in the second round is an option. I see Rice and Gonzalez targeted by them. Both will be in the second round. No one knows what the contract for wess entails. It is a backloaded pill offer. Whatever it is it is not close to 38 million bucks.
View edit ^^ thats why the jets are in good position right now...we arent going on a spending binge in the first 2 days of FA...we are sitting back and saving our money, Tangini said they have a plan, and i trust that they will follow it. so far they havent done anything that would make me feel uncomfortable, im sure they saw this coming from the pats...
I agree... I edited the post to slow. This was my reply to the original post. Sorry I am learning to use this forum. I respect your opinion, but I can guarantee you Asanti Samuel would have comanded more then 7 mill in the open market.There is no better option other then Clements. I am sorry for the double post. They are not giving up a second round pick in reality. They have two first rounders that they can use. In a draft where after the top picks the recievers in the mid to late 1 rst round are projected to have the same level of talent as in the second round, using one of the two first rounders to get 2 picks in the second round is an option. I see Rice and Gonzalez targeted by them. Both will be in the second round. This draft is so deep at wr talent they can get first round talent in the second. Saving them money. No one knows what the contract for Wess entails. It is a back loaded pill offer as of right now. Designed to prevent the fish from a counter offer.Whatever it is it is not close to 38 million bucks. Years and figures mean squat. All about the guaranteed doe. I also suspect they might burn a first round pick for a true stud wr in a trade. That or grab a guy like Patrick Willis, to totally retool the lb position. With almost 30 mill they are not in any kind of cap trouble currently. Do not forget Brewski and Brown still may retire.
I'm actually shocked by this move. A second round pick and 38 million dollars for Wes Welker? Lets just look at this in terms of value. The Rams just gave Drew Bennett...by all indications thus far a better reciever 6 years 30 million. And I think thats a bit much. But there's no way your telling me in terms of value Welker is worth a year, 8 more million and a second round pick for. I think they made a very smart and good signing in Thomas but idk...this was dumb. As far as the Jets...just get me porter and one of the free agent running backs (brown, henry, even lamont or dillon if cheaper). I wouldn't be shocked if we actually signed Dillon and drafted a running back...seems like last year the coaching staff was trying to groom Leon into being a more dynamic Kevin Faulk.
Bro, they are not going to give him 38 million dollars. They are making a backloaded offer designed to prevent the fish from matching it. He will not get anything close to that much. It is called a pill contract. They use the language to make cash bonuses making the deal worth huge money, if the opposing side matches them. The language will never apply to the pats. Hence them never having to pay the full amount of the deal. All that matter in contracts is the guaranteed money. For example, " If wess plays 5 home games in miami he is entitled to a 15 million dollar bonus in the year 08 " That language would only apply if the fish matched the deal. Obviously as a patriot that option would not apply. They will overpay, but it will not be close to 38 million. With 2 frist round picks they can split one of them into several second rounders. Dillon is a shell of his former self. Unless Dillon was lying ( prob was) he thinks he is a 15 - 20 carry back these days. He could have jus wanted out of Ne of course.
Jetsman, we don't know how backloaded this deal is I'm sure its worth a pretty penny or Welker would try to see if he could get more. Just the value of a second rounder alone is too much for Welker Miami is a team trying to stockpile draft picks. Did they really turn down an offer of a third rounder for Welkers rights so the Pats could have him on the roster and THEN get an extension done? Was it even explored?
I'm not saying Dillon would be our feature back...if someone gives him feature back money they deserved to be kicked in the nuts cause this free agency period people are just throwing around stupid cash.
