I agree, there's no telling what the team will look like by April. It's why I usually don't dick around with these way-too-early mock drafts, they are not just speculation, they are shots in the dark meant for casual entertainment.
It's hard to say if Coles is a true #1 or not, given that Pennington probably doesn't have the rocket arm to exploit Coles' talent to its fullest extent. I don't think of Coles as a Randy Moss, Jerry Rice or TO where they can just take the game over week to week. While those may be unfair comparisons, he's probably more in the class of Reggie Wayne in the sense that he is a great compliment to a stud #1. While I love Coles over S. Moss as a football player, I think Santana may be more of that game changer than Coles. But Coles is a great receiver for Pennington, because he runs a lot of incut routes that require him to sacrifice his body and fight for the ball while in the air. He has amazing hand-eye coordination and very strong hands. He may be more of a burner than we give him credit for, but that's not the type of receiver that he is asked to be (or can be asked to be) with Pennington.
I agree with you about Coles in the 2nd paragraph, but Coles had a chance to play with someone with a big arm... Ramsey for 2 yrs in Washington, and in his last year, he averaged 10.6 per catch.
i understand what ur saying. but what im saying is this at that late in the 1st rd. your probably not gonna get a immidiate starter. so why wouldnt you try and fill these holes up for the most part through FA.. it isnt like the top 10 were you can plan ur offseason around it cause most likely whoever draft outside of qb will probably start from day 1. for example last year going into the draft when we picked #4 unless it was a qb didnt you expect a starter from day 1? we didnt do anything to improve LT last year so obviously the team planned around D brick the whole time. we cant plan around any draft pick this year cause you have no idea what will be there.. so there is no reason why we should have so many needs come draft day this year. so u go BPA i dont care if its moss,moses, bowie or a OT ...we should not be saying we cant take such and such because we need this. even though such and such is blantantly better than who we would take going for a need.
McCariens is likely gone and Coles while very good had a couple of concussions. I believe we should try and unload him for value now, he's best days are probably behind him. We are very thin at WR. I still would prefer to go all D since I believe we are at least 2 to 3 years from a serious run. Pick up a couple of hold the fort WR in FA and draft D. Start Clemens next year and go for the Offensive playmakers next off season.
First off, we got Mangold our best olineman at 30 last year, so it isn't like you can't get starters at that position, it is up to Mangini and crew to find the best players for our team. Next, because it is so early, we can't assume that we can address most of our needs through FA, while we do have a lot of cap room so does more than half of the NFL, and because of that we don't know if we have the flexibility to go WR in the 1st round.
yea but we signed Trey teague to play center. so we didnt go into the draft saying we had to draft a center. it just played out like that and quite frankly Mangold was the BPA at the pick. i know for a fact the jets wanted Deangelo williams had he fell. and i know for a fact the jets tryed to trade up and get a qb in the 1st rd. i didnt say you cant get starters that late. i said you dont draft that late planning for a day 1 starter. as you can in the top 5. im not gonna pass on reggie nelson at #25 to take kenny irons because we need a rb.
Not knowing what you know of NYJ draft history but for many, many years the FO ALWAYs said we took the BPA when our turn came. Now using that piece of info go back thru our history & see all the duds we selected which is one of the reasons we have won NOTHING in 38 years now
I would grade last years draft as average at best. So far Brick has not tingled the toes of anybody as the #4 overall pick. Mangold was a homer so if you want one nullifies the other. What other starters did we get> What other game breakers did we get? I said look back thru our HISTORY which is just not one year. Do U remember Johnny Lam Jones or Blair or the other busts we have had with a #1 overall pick. Hopefully you do not want me to give you the litany of failures thru the years which is why I posted about BPA which was the NYJ FO policy for years & years & years not just 1 year as U mentioned
You have to take bad scouting into account. I don't really agree with going BPA in every round regardless of need, but if a good scouting team sees a player that was high on their value chart drop a certain number of rounds, I think it's not wise to pass on him. (See: Rhodes, Kerry)
Whatever the reasons the scouts did worked for us also. I just reporting what was said about each & every draft for years & years & years that we always took the BPA which if you look back turned out not to be in the best interests of the NYJs. Hey even look to more recent drafts Santana is gone already, DeW is a blah at best, JV is another blah at best & more importantly Brick may also turn out to be another blah which means that the procedures put into place by Man & Tan need tweaking at it looks like he fell thru the cracks of whatever the system was to make him the #4 overall draft choice
Wash & Smith are situation players at best & KC who knows until we see him under the center in the real live regular season game
This team has much bigger needs than WR. I'm suprised at how many people here are underrating Coles. He's our Hines Ward, he just doesn't get the credit Ward does amongst fans/media. I'd rather see us go after a pass rushing OLB (esp. if it's Moses/Moss) or one of the big DL to play end for us. Thats probably where we need the most help.
I'm not making a judgment of Brick until he has been through a full NFL offseason program, including weight training and nutritional guidance from beginning to end, but the guy started at one of the most difficult positions on the offense for his entire rookie season. He did have trouble, and he may not live up to the billing of a 4th overall pick, but that doesn't mean he can't develop into a solid starter, no matter what any of us think... including Mel Kiper and some of the other 'experts', who are infamously wrong every single season. They just get paid well for it. As far as Vilma, I was not impressed with him this season, but if this CS deems fit to give him a chance to acclimate himself and build personnel around him, maybe it is for good reason. Mangini and Tannenbaum are both very aggressive when it comes to personnel turnover, so if Vilma remains the starter I can only think they have good reasons to keep him there. Honestly, even though I am a fan of Vilma, I can easily see from a logistics standpoint how beneficial getting a prototype ILB to call the defense makes sense, but sometimes when you can't see the whole picture, individual actions don't seem to make sense. I think this is one of those occasions. But back to your point, I think you can make the argument that most high draft picks don't live up to their draft position, and many players who develop into the type of talent you want to claim in the first round fall to later rounds anyway. I think the science of the draft has improved dramatically over the past few years when you really look at the impact talent drafted there lately, but it is still a very inexact science. I am tentatively confident after the Jets' draft in 2006, but again the jury is still out for at least a year or two on these guys.
I am a huge advocate of building the lines on both sides before getting skill positions on both sides. I still want a big DE to replace Kimo or bigger guards on the Oline. HOWEVER, i have been watching Bowe play in the Senior Bowl practices and i love the way the guy plays. Obviously Im not qualified to be a scout but he runs the crispest routes out of anyone out there and i havent seen him drop a ball yet. That being said, theres no way the Jets are drafting him.
only 2 RBs in round 1? and neither go to the jets? and we take a WR as opposed to any other need position? is he the best on the board at that time? all these Qs, no answers....:sad:
