I noticed you did not answered my question about one trick pony, which is silly for any of this players. Nor said anything about Bailey, who was amazing all year long and arguably more impactful than Bain at edge. So you go ahead and watch tape as well. I also think the Reese rhetoric about disappearing on plays without understanding his role and game planning is blown out of proportion. But so be it Reese was the one all teams plan against, on a team that was completely stacked with defensive talent, second to none. I hear you are not willing to take a chance on his potential, the risk is there but so is the payoff. We will see how it unfolds and how the experts that do it for a living make their picks.
Hold on...wait. Now arm length on an o-lineman, trying to reach out to stop a d-lineman may make a bit more sense. How is arm length going to matter when being blocked or shedding a block? And here, all along, I was thinking people were talking about arm length in REACHING for a QB, when rushing, or a ball carrier as they go by!! So I'm to believe, TWO INCHES (mark that on your desk or a piece of paper), is the difference between an ELITE PROVEN at the college level D-Lineman vs. an ELITE prospect for the pro's? Ok, shaking my head here. Hold you index finger and middle finger together. That space is basically TWO INCHES. Are you people kidding me? Eh, I've said my piece and I still hold firm. BASED ON ELITE COLLEGE PRODUCTION, Rueben Bain Jr. will be just fine in the NFL. I guess, at this point, it's just my opinion.
That is true. However, one thing I've learned in all my years of playing and watching football. The tape NEVER lies. Especially when there is a LOT of tape on a player and said player always seems to elevate during the biggest games. This is the part that bothers me the most. People see these kids do all these drills and go ga ga. Flushing game tape down the drain. It would be one thing if Bain played at Weehawken State. No, he played at Miami and against the best college competition in the game. I find it HIGHLY difficult to believe the same kids he's "owning" now are going to turn around and "own" him at the pro level. Just sayin.
I'm with Jetsnation06 on people getting too overly romantic on the idea of chasing upside, and with not wanting Reese as the riskiest pick on the front end table. So if there was a potential Zach Wilson pick to be made at #2 I'm personally getting that type of vibe the most out of him. Just saying
Can wait for the draft.Tired of all the rumors growing wild.More and more analysts are hedging their bets with their initially forecasted picks. As for the Jets, they seem to be divided almost 50-50 with either Bailey or Reese. I really can argue either. No one else is even mentioned. Apparently the action starts at three, depending on who the Jets pick, it will trigger potential trades. Lots of buzz that Dallas wants to move up if Reese is till available after the second pick. Also rumors that the Jets would be amicable to move up from 16th. Talks about trading the 1th and 44th and a 4th to move up and trade for the Commanders first if Tate is available. So slowly the buzz is targeting Bailey, and then Tates, with either a S , CB or G at 33, or trade 33 to recoup picks. Must admit, I would be very happy with that outcome.
True Projecting performance at the NFL level is a tough, tough call. Great tape in College is no guarantee either. Last year, I saw tape, amazing College stats and heard nothing but great things about Abdul Carter and how he was going to be an instant contributor at the NFL level, in a premium position. He certainly was less than impressive in his first year with the Giants. So I believe the risk exists with all three be it Bain, Bailey and Reese. If what we want is a completely safe pick, they is Styles, Love or the safety from OU.
It’s really interesting this 2nd pick… I literally could argue any 3 of Bailey, Bain or Reese. First and foremost my eyes tell me Bailey is the guy. As a coach when I see the big 3 it’s really hard to pass on that. 1. Production- the man had 14.5 sacks, 19.5 TFL and 3 FF last season and was just an absolute wrecking machine. When he hits the QB he’s looking to take him out. 2. FBI - he possessed an array of different ways to win on his reps. He has as many moves in his bag as any pass rusher I’ve ever evaluated. 3. Athleticism- the guy is an absolute freak of nature being 6’4”, 250lb, runs a 4.5, 79 wing span and 129 broad jump. I think you melt all this into a football player it’s as can’t miss as you can get. He’s Von Miller 2.0 in my opinion.
it’s always been about shedding blocks at the point of attack. Extra two inches is important, ask any woman
It's just a rumor but there's a rumor that Glenn might prefer Bailey because he feels he'll make a faster impact as a pass rusher than Reese will. Hopefully just a rumor...
There was an interview with Moug and Glenn, they are not using positional value to create their board, they don’t believe in it, they both said if they like a player they are going to pick him. They did say they are using analytics to put their board together, I’m not sure how that’s done since I have only heard of it being used during games. I’m sure they are looking at statistics, combine, and game tape, but if it’s analytics they are using, what determines the order?
i think the first point is a white lie. Not only does every team say they select “the best player available” but positional value is literally page 1 of any analytics book
In other words, they are saying, dont get blinded by premium pick considerations, pick BPA for us at each round. Well at the end of the day, Moug will be assessed based on many factors, notably as to how much did he improve the team via the draft, and free agency, irrespective of the position. Of course, getting the right QB is the crown jewel. Over the years we have drafted a few top DE, DT, and of late great OT, and RBs. A very good WR and CB now and then but we have never built a sustainable strong team that pulls it all together under the leadership of a Top QB.
If they're not using positional value, then the pick is either Love (RB) or Styles (LB) who have the best combination of proven production, game film, elite measurables, and lack of character concerns. If they say they're not using positional value and they draft an edge at 2, then their claim was a smokescreen or their scouting is shit.
could they be lying? of course they could, but they both agreed that’s how they view it. That’s the other part of this, just because it’s been the standard, does it mean it can’t change? I just thought it was an interesting take.
That’s why I put it out for you guys, if I can paste the quotes I will. I thought it was an interesting take and honestly the first thing that ran through my mind was Styles, Love and Downs and Bailey. If I’m understanding their approach by not prioritizing positional value those would be the picks that would be at the top of their board.
This was a Cmini article on ESPN, it has more information that I’m not going to post, it’s easier to go and read article. 1. Forget the norms: Coach Aaron Glenn summed up his draft philosophy this way: "If you love the player, go get the player. I truly believe in that. If you love the player, go get him, regardless of what everybody thinks, regardless of positional value." ADVERTISING Glenn said this approach, which he learned from mentor Sean Payton, is shared by general manager Darren Mougey. This is particularly noteworthy for the Jets, who are sitting with the No. 2 overall pick in a draft top-heavy with players at non-premium positions -- off-ball linebacker Sonny Styles (Ohio State), running back Jeremiyah Love (Notre Dame), safety Caleb Downs (Ohio State) and, to a certain extent, linebacker/edge rusher Arvell Reese (Ohio State). Some drafts are loaded with blue-chip prospects at premium positions -- quarterback, edge rusher, etc. This isn't one of those years, which creates a fascinating decision for the Jets, who need help at a lot of positions. Glenn was a member of the Detroit Lions' coaching staff in 2023, when it got torched by critics for drafting running back Jahmyr Gibbs(No. 12 overall) and off-ball linebacker Jack Campbell (No. 18). Coach Dan Campbell, another Payton disciple, got the last laugh. Gibbs and Campbell have developed into Pro Bowl players. Denver Broncos. In those years, their drafts were relatively traditional, meaning no non-premium positions in the first two rounds. Mougey and Glenn stuck to the norm last year in their first draft together, taking an offensive tackle (Armand Membou) at No. 7 overall. Membou addressed a need at a premium position. Easy peasy. This year presents a different dynamic. If the Jets adhere to a conventional approach, the choice likely would be David Bailey (Texas Tech), a pure edge rusher. He too would address a need. Some evaluators believe Reese has a higher ceiling than Bailey as a rusher, though he's still a work in progress because of a limited number of pass-rushing opportunities in college. Love might be the best overall prospect, but the Jets have Breece Hall on the franchise tag. Downs might be a future All-Pro, but it has been 35 years since a safety went as high as No. 2 (Eric Turner, Cleveland Browns). Glenn insisted positional value will have no bearing on their decision, claiming they will take the best player, period. "That's something that me and Mouge talk about a lot, and we utilize that," Glenn said. "If we love the player, man, we want to go get him." 2. Bailey's cream of the crop: If the Jets pick Bailey with the second pick -- a possibility that has gained traction among draft experts -- they would be getting one of the best statistical pass rushers of the last decade. Bailey recorded 154 pressures in 823 pass rushes over 48 career games (34 for Stanford, 14 for Texas Tech), which computes to an 18.7% pressure rate -- tops among FBS players since 2016. His 20.4% mark in 2025 is the third-best individual season in the last 10 years. The Jets lean on analytics in their player evaluation process, so Bailey's impressive numbers absolutely count for something. "I think I'm just a little bit more explosive [than other pass rushers]," Bailey said at the scouting combine. "I think I have a great first step. I think I have a whole bunch of moves."
Analytics only go so far but it’s definitely a measurable that makes you feel safer with the pick. For me I first and foremost when evacuating a player trust my eyes to see if he’s a baller. They need to have that IT factor when on the field. Then cross reference that with the big 3 I mentioned production, FBI and athleticism. Bailey to me checks all those boxes. Like I said before I’d be shocked if he’s not the pick at 2. However, it’s not like Bain is a slouch he for me has the best motor, heavy ass hands and just is a true football player. I like him a lot too. Reese is that joker player that has that freaky athleticism, unbelievable wow plays and as a joker can play a number of positions. I like him a lot too. But you can only pick 1 of them and for me hands down it’s David Bailey.
