Lemon might be one of the dumbest WRs I’ve seen interviewed. He did push out Branch somehow. Mostly because Lincoln Riley who I absolutely love as a coach likes bigger slot guys who can take the beating in the middle of the field. That’s definitely an attribute I really like about Lemon is his toughness. My concern with Lemon is his intelligence and the fact Linc schemed him open constantly because that’s his whole offensive system is to scheme that #1 read wide open.
What you consider typical, likely and probable are purely subjective opinions. I might remind you that in the first twenty years of this century the highest probability QB recruit turned out to be the best quarterback only one third of the time. You said it, and I acknowledged we shall agree to disagree. Of course, we'll both be watching to see if the status quo or something perhaps slightly revolutionary will change the fortune of this team.
The surface has never been more clear - the Jets are the best representation of failure in the NFL this century. Rookie contracts are relatively cheap and allow keeping more than one QB at a time without the need to hustle them out the door. I have asked the question before - maybe you'd care to answer now why it was necessary or productive to remove Darnold before seeing how Wilson met the NFL challenge. I will not endorse following the same failed path forever - your mileage apparently varies.
Completely agree. If we kept Darnold to compete with Wilson that would have been so much better for that Salah era. They would have competed their ass off against each other. Instead we dump Darnold and hand Wilson the keys and throw him in the fire.
Luckily the game of football awards you points for scoring touchdowns not for making salient points in an interview There’s a difference between talkers and doers, book smart and football smart, anyway. lemon is clearly “intelligent” on the football field, maybe you prefer “instinctual”, but he operates in the slot like an NFL veteran. There’s no way that’s all scheme
Sure, we will disagree on the approach, but let's not create alternate facts. I never said anything specifically about 1st QB taken. Just that in today's League nearly every successful QB is a high pick, most very high. A high pick is almost always the best asset a team has in its arsenal annually, which could be either used to aid directly or indirectly the QB you just drafted high previous year. You suggest to draft another QB instead (could be straight up or we will need to add more assets to get into the range of top QB prospects that usually go high). That is the fundamental disagreement. You want to be a revolutionary and suggest a team use its best assets every year on a QB (which no matter how you slice it, inevitably takes away ability to surround him with talent), which no successful NFL teams is doing either, that's fine. But I never suggested status quo. Status quo would be surrounding a high QB pick with likes of Perriman, Herndon, semi retired Frankl Gore, not building OL, no proven good offensive coaches, things like we have done time and time and time again and failed. I am not suggesting that at all. Surround a QB with talent, including good protection, give good offensive coaching, and then yes, draft high and give a couple of years in the system. If he still failed, try again. That's not what we have done: we mostly had shit talent around the QB and our best coaches were defensive ones. In some cases no matter what you do, the guy you drafted, just sucks. Then you try again after a couple of years. But surrounding with talent and good offensive coaches is the key part we have not done well in addition to drafting some busts.
So to actually connect all the surrounding variable dots there your logic example is suggesting we shouldn't have given up on Darnold. Who had spent the previous 3 seasons floundering away in an eternally terrible developmental situation. But instead of drafting some potential stud help that can be on the field at the same time with Darnold, in the form of Ja"marr Chase or Penei Sewell, your logic wants to focus in on simply asking the question "why didn't we just draft Zach AND keep Darnold around". So in essence - Having Zach Wilson around to "compete" with Darnold in a terrible terrible developmental situation > having Chase or Sewell on your football team to help Darnold succeed Like i told the other guy digging in on that kind of stance seems a lot more rooted with not wanting to be wrong on this imo then anything else. Even if it actually is probably the closest qualifying answer to his own question he keeps asking here while trying to support this. Your logic *IS* more of the same ol same ol Jets mentality approach of gravitating towards shallow quick fix promise solutions.
The suggestion is even more egregious though. It's keep drafting, get Daniel Jones/Haskins, then Love, then Zach, all while ignoring other needs with top pick, including these to support the QB. Then you would have to drop some of these guys possibly after 1 year, since you can't keep all on the roster. Love would have most definitely been gone like Sam since he was raw and needed a couple of years, more so even than the other guys. He could have been the 1st one dumped to make room for the next one. The issue we had with Sam not developing is that he did not get enough support here. With this approach, he would get even LESS. To me, it just does not make any practical sense. And again, it is not just me, it's the entire NFL that agrees with it, including successful teams, since no one is doing it. When you draft a guy that young and invest that much, you need to give a little bit of time to develop. I think this part is the consensus around the NFL and does not need changing. What needs changing is better supporting cast, better coaching. That's where other teams do better than the Jets time and time again. And even that does not guarantee success, as they guy you draft may not be good (Sanchez, Zach), then you try again. But ultimately chances are you will pick the right one (Sam), and if the support system and coaching is there, he would be your FQB eventually. The draft QB every year approach would basically ensure Sam scenario or worse again and again.
It’s more the fact that the conventional way hasn’t worked. Maybe it’s the market our team plays in, maybe it’s all the coaches, maybe it’s the fact we throw our high draft picks in the fire and expect them to somehow thrive. really what do we have to loose by trying a different angle? A single draft pick? Big deal… I think it doubles our chances of finally landing a FQB. Not only that but what this team needs is a culture change. There is no better way to ignite that change than with healthy competition. 2 guys fighting for playing time like their life depends on it. It worked with RG3/Cousins, Montana/Young and Favre/Rodgers. I don’t care if I’m right or wrong. What I know from experience is you get the most out of your players that are in competition for playing time. That is 100% guaranteed. I’ve seen it for over 8 years. The strongest positions on your team are the position that are earned through being pushed by another talented teammate. It eliminates complacency and every day is earned. It’s exactly how you turn a culture from SOJ to hungry mother fuckers ready to run through a brick wall!
Fixed that last one for you. Damn skippy on the competition. You know, can't remember where I heard it but this was one of the knocks on Kyler Murray. He didn't feel like he had to compete in Arizona. He was just anointed. Any athlete in any sport on any continent, that fears competition, is 100% the kind of athlete I want nothing to do with. I mean, damn, could you imagine being Venus and Serena Williams? That's competition 24/7/365!!! As much as they drive me nuts, could you picture being in the Kelsey household or the Manning's? Dayum!! Shit, in high school, I wrestled. You had to wrestle, every Wednesday, if you were to "start" at your weight class in the dual meet on Saturdays. Every single week someone coming to kick your ass and take your spot. If NFL QB's ego's are that fragile, you sure as hell don't want them starting. Especially in a city like NY.
Exactly Mezz you hit on this. NYC is not for the Meek… we need guys that can handle pressure. There is no pressure like having to show up to practice and know each pass is being evaluated. Competition = Competitiveness. That is contagious when you see the top position in sports battling it out in practice in 11v11. It’s the culture change we need. Heck throw Brady/Bledsoe or Brady/Hanson in the mix on how it shaped him to be the best quarterback ever… that’s not by accident… that competition creates hunger that can’t be underestimated.
We said we will agree to disagree but I never said you get to claim what it is that I am supporting. If you still do not understand my position either ignore my statements or ask for clarification before carrying on about your often faulty understanding of my position. I never made any sort of claim that you said anything about the first QB taken - I was illustrating the fallacy of believing the most highly touted QB draftee will be the most successful quarterback based on 21 years of drafting this century. Even now you state "A high pick is almost always the best asset a team has..." That's pretty damn close to what I stated. I also never said that the team should "use its best assets every year on a QB." That is strictly your misguided interpretation. How many times are you going to repeat the trite coachspeak platitudes like the bolded above that have been the mainstay of every team in the league since the draft began? It's just so much yada, yada, yada year after year - surely you can do better than that. You say the Jets have not done this but that's exactly what the team has said they are doing every spring. How's that working out?
How is saying something you are not actually doing working out? LOL. Yeah, we are definitely going around in multiple circles now. Let's see if we double and triple up on the QBs in the drafts to come.
