Your second paragraph hits the nail squarely on the head, I'm even okay with focusing on one guy but not at the expense of exclusivity. The more options in the mix, the better chance of quicker success. The "one at a time" philosophy has resulted in decades of incompetence and failure perfectly illustrated by dumping Darnold to "focus" on Wilson. I am looking at the overall philosophy of improvement while you keep spitballing specific players for today. Which is exactly what the Jets have done for decades. How's that working out?
I guess I'd ask you what I've asked a couple of other guys here recently - How's that been working for the last fifty years? Not that I am in any way in the Simpson camp - I smell ZW redux.
its worked out poorly. But it’s the same impatient owner so I see no reason why things would be different this time
Football can’t be money ball. Analytics is a distant cousin of pure scouting and analysis of a player. Could not agree more. Analytics work in baseball because there is a billion games and a gazillion at bats… in football 1 play can be fucked from a LG not checking his assignment giving the QB 1.3 seconds less in the pocket.
Let me try this one more time, but if you still think your novel discovery of improvement is the way to go, we will have to agree to disagree. The Jet's have not surrounded QB with good pieces for decades, that's just utter poppycock, and Sam, whom you brought up is the perfect example of that! If we followed the philosophy I am talking about, we would have invested a lot more in protecting Sam and giving him weapons, and maybe he would be our FQB just now winning SB here. Certainly Perriman, Gore, and Herndon would not be his top 3 weapons. That's a big reason I want successful offensive minded HC too. But Sam is certainly not an example of a potential benefit of drafting a QB with high pick every year: he was here for 3 years before Wilson was drafted. Your philosophy is not an improvement, there is a reason no one is doing it. I am not against competition, but it's not practical to spend high pick every year on a QB and it takes away from the key resources needed to support him. A veteran - sure. Sam would have been that for Zach. Maybe a even a later round pick, with the goal to develop him into a back-up with a small chance he can surprise people. But your suggestion is a very poor strategy from the practical standpoint, which is why it's not the Jets, but entire NFL is not using it. Again, let that sink in: NO team in the NFL is doing it, including successful ones. You will have to excuse me if I am not buying the idea that someone on this message board just came up with a groundbreaking philosophy no NFL team has ever thought of. There is no magic bullet. Create a good environment, pick a QB high, give him a chance to succeed (usually need a couple of years, but there are exceptions), coach him up, and if not successful, try again.
We shall agree to disagree; I won't argue with moribund platitudes and I have never advocated ignoring the rest of the roster while adding more quarterbacks; free agency and the draft amount to 15-20 additions or more each off season not just one. The bolded above is incompatible with drafting one guy every two or three years and focusing solely on him. You will never get to turn the corner if you give a single can a half hearted kick down the road a few times each decade.
The teams that did turn a corner did not draft QBs every year though. You are proposing something that NO ONE is doing for a good reason. A pick that is typically required to get a high probability QB prospect likely gets a star player (or multiple as often you need to trade up major assets to get a good QB prospect) in another position, not typically available in free agency or lower in the draft and at a cost controlled rate. The following year it becomes an important part of infrastructure to directly and/or indirectly support a huge investment you made a year before. Hence it makes sense to see it play out at least a little bit. But we are going around in circles here. Let's see if the Jets or another team actually successfully adopts your breakthrough innovation, never seen before, which btw does suggest to build less infrastructure around recently drafted QB by using the best asset(s) you have elsewhere the following season.
Developing a QB into a guy you'd want to keep around has a process to it. it doesn't just "happen" as a guaranteed and only 2 possible outcome like your scratch off lottery ticket analogy. Much less for a terrible developmental team like the Jets. One could probably make a pretty strong argument that a bad team is more likely to "hit" on keeper QB by giving one guy a multiple season commitment look then 2 different guys shorter window looks that likely won't even amount to 1 full season. You keep digging in on flawed surface level logic that seems a lot more centered around wanting to not be wrong on this then making any real effort to address all the underlying flaws. Which just ends up circling back to why absolutely nobody in the NFL seems to believe your idea is actually worth exploring at a continuous expense of investing premium level draft picks into it.
If we take Simpson at 2 (I still believe this possibility is unfortunately in play) or 16 then the chances of getting that rookie year impact guy at WR likely goes down imo. Without that impact possibility I'm a lot less confident this offense, even with the Reich hire, turns the corner enough to lift us above a bottom dweller outcome. I said it last year on Fields and i'll say it again on Geno in 2026. We ain't doing Geno's 2026 prospects any favors handing him this WR room as is, and which likely just ends up picking back up at the continued failure point of trying to run a non-stat padding offense through Garrett Wilson. We need at least 1 of those first 2 picks to be a WR imo.
100% I HATE our WR room…I think it’s one of, if not THE, worst in the league. I love GW, but we have no legit starters after him and it’s a recipe for failure again. We have a young and promising TE maybe, but all I saw him do last year is run basic 5 yards outs so who knows. I am surprised and disappointed that Mougey hasn’t done anything to address the WR room in free agency, and I think it’s just as big a need as Edge. To me, I’m fine with taking edge at 2 overall, but that 16 pick HAS to somehow get us a top WR…unfortunately, Tate will likely not be there at 16, Lemon may or may not be but I’ve heard enough doubt on Lemon so I don’t know how good a prospect he really is.
A couple things, which may seem like nitpicky shit - it’s not you, it’s me. I just REEAAAALLY don’t want the Jets to gamble a First Round pick on Ty Simpson. Plus, we’re entering the bizarro phase of draft season, where we start getting leaked stories about certain teams’ private workouts and unnatural obsession with certain players. Anyway … You won’t ever hear me spending a minute talking about mechanics because: (a) I don’t know enough to break down every twitch, (b) nobody’s paying me to do it; but most of all, (c) good mechanics should come baked into solid performance and wins. Case in point – I could pick a dozen, but Anthony Richardson is a favorite. Built like a Greek god. Grown men left their wives just for a peek at the guy in the shower. Generational tools that made scouts drool. Iffy mechanics, but coachable enough to overlook one small detail –he was a losing QB on a team stocked to the gills with talent. The time I saved not breaking down his footwork was all invested in the front end, watching mediocre QB play mixed with occasional flashes. Also, I think you’re glossing over Simpson’s college career arc just a bit. Everyone does. We’ve memory-holed Alabama’s post-Bryce Young QB drama. I don’t think Simpson was sitting on the bench learning as much as he was underperforming. He was the heir apparent to Young, not Milroe. They gave Simpson multiple shots to take over the starting job, he just couldn’t. And it wasn’t because of stellar play ahead of him. Milroe won the job, but was quickly benched, and Simpson wasn’t even the second choice. His shot came after Tyler Buchner flopped – and it didn’t last long. A new coaching staff came in, held the proverbial “open competition,” and Milroe stuck as QB1. Sooooo. . . I have to ask myself, this kid now being included in First Round discussions – why couldn’t he crack the starting lineup at Alabama until the 3rd Round QB ahead of him left? Saban and DeBoer – both great eyes for talent, both took real good looks, and both moved to Plan B. Last point has nothing at all to do with Ty Simpson, but I think we need to retire the term “pro-style offense.” More fitting back in the day to explain why you shouldn’t waste a draft pick on Turner Gill. These days, the difference between FBS and NFL offenses aren’t as stark.
Nothing to do with the discussion, really. I just love this clip so much. Ty Simpson getting broken in half by Dylan Stewart. Note, this was early in the 3rd quarter and Alabama won this game, so credit for the kid getting up and playing a decent second half of football.
The only way I would understand Simpson at 16 is if we cannot get a blue chip WR (or another blue chip player) at that spot or via trade up and think we can get a similar WR at 33. Meaning top tier is gone, and there is a deep next tier. But ideally I would like to get Tate at that spot or via reasonable trade up. Like I said, if that is not possible and the next WR tier is deep I would understand the selection, but Simpson does concern me lot.
It’s almost comical. I just looked at a draft profile for one player, and I won’t name him or her but let’s just cal him or her Guy Blimpson. They break their analysis down into like 20 different categories by percentage. And it’s Big Comedy that they’ll do that for every player drafted and STILL blow it on like 95% of the draft. 4.99999% of those they get right could have been scouted by a trained family of gibbons - the geniuses of the monkey world.
We’re off the QB train here, but I have a solution for you to consider. My ideal draft would include Makai Lemon somewhere. From what I’ve read in my TGG catchup, I’d be in the minority but I can absolutely justify it. However, for a decent second choice at the top of the 2nd Round, the guy who Makai Lemon pushed out at USC: Zach Branch. Totally different receiver, which is why he was pushed out, but he’s smart, fast, reliable, good hands (which is redundant, but not really) and a really solid kid. There. I said it and I’m glad.
if you’re analysis is right and if he had more than 15 games he probably wouldn’t be around at 15. In other words that risk might be priced into his availability.
Anthony Richardson had piss poor mechanics and is probably better off playing LB rather than QB. Was never a fan of him. Greek god QBs are always so stiff and little elasticity in their arm. On the pro offence topic I actually believe it’s vital. Those motion concepts to determine coverage at a lightning speed matters. It’s particularly why all those RPO quarterbacks take time to develop. It will be interesting to see how Mendoza coming from a RPO scheme will fair. And hey, I could be wrong about Ty I’m not perfect but what my eyes tell me as a high school coach and former quarterback is that he has the FBI and mechanics. That will take him a long way.
