I wonder if Breece would be viewed in such a negative way if it weren't such a taboo (unwarranted) to speak about competing salaries in the workplace in the US.
So Breece Hall wants to get paid more money? (Don't we all?) Let's talk about this Right now, Breece Hall is slated to be the Fifth Highest paid RB in the NFL next year in terms of average salary per year: Saquon Barkley - $20.6 M Christian McCaffrey - $19M Derrick Henry - $15M Kenneth Walker III - $14.35 M Breece Hall - $14.2 M Not bad, considering that Breece Hall is NOT the 5th best RB in the NFL right now (Jonathan Taylor, Josh Jacobs, among others). However, unlike the others on that list, Breece Hall has a one year contract, so it may not be fair to compare the average salary per year. So, let's talk about long term contracts: The longest Active contracts for RBs in the NFL right now is Four Years. Here are the highest paid players with those contracts: Travis Ettiene - $13M per year Josh Jacobs - $12M per year James Cook - $11.5M per year Rhamondre Stevenson - $9M per year Ashton Jeanty - $8.7M per year So, taking all this into consideration, there is no team in the NFL that is going to give Breece Hall a long term deal at the Average salary he is earning this year. It flat out will not happen. Is he honestly THAT deluded, or would he be happy with 4 years at 10M per, or three years, 11M per? BTW, all salary stats taken from https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/_/position/rb
Yeah, it may be interesting to look at average salaries but in this league, I think the real figure to look at is guaranteed money…the rest is upside. Maybe the right metric could be guaranteed salary per year to get a more realistic number…but I get why a franchised player getting say $14M on a one year deal would be pissed when a multi year deal may net him more than that up front or in guarantees on top of having multi year injury protection. I get it. The upside though is go have a great year and then hit the market next year and get more…but still, I understand why players hate the tag…I think they would almost always get more guaranteed money, likely up front, on a multi year deal as compared to the tag salary, which I think is paid out as salary instead of what could be structured to include up front signing or other bonuses. But looking at average salaries I think is a bit misleading and probably kind of meaningless.
Yes it is guaranteed…so Breece is guaranteed the ~$14M or whatever it is as soon as he signs, and we have until like mid-July to negotiate a long term deal and if we don’t he plays under the tag. My point was that in the open market, chances are good for a good player like him that he would get (a) a longer term deal, (b) for more total money, and (c) with probably more money up front depending on how the contract is structured. No matter how you look at it, it’s almost always better to get that long term deal in the market than it is to play for the guaranteed franchise tag. It’s more security, it’s more total money, and it’s almost always more money up front now. That’s why players hate the tag. The only positive about the one year tag is that the player can hit free agency again and ride the wave of increasing salaries as long as he plays well…but that’s offset by the high injury risk in this sport. But Cousins did that for several years in a row with Washington before he used us to get more out of Minnesota (which was still less than what we offered by the way), and then made a fun video bragging about how he just used us.
Bottom line is we are overpaying Breece. Maybe he breaks out and picks up where he left off before the injury? That would be the best scenario, though he'd want a long term mint next offseason. Next year should be our big competitive arrival, and we will need to spend big in FA. I'd have banked the Breece money to build our real future, and drafted young legs.
you are comparing apples to oranges. Breece Hall, if he signs the tag, would be under contract for $14 mil total. James Cook already signed a contract is getting $46 mil total from buffalo. When you look at it that way, its clear why Hall would be upset. He's making wayyy less But the way you arranged it, based on average per year, despite only 1 year, makes it look like Hall is the one making a lot more money
I think you’re pretty much completely wrong. Breece in general is very overrated here IMO but I think he had huge market value on the open market this year. Teams saw what McCaffrey did for the 49ers offense and how the Eagles rode Saquon to a SB victory. Not to say Breece is in that category at all, but I think the investment in the running back in 3-year contract bands with a high AAV is increasingly being viewed as a better investment than it was ten years ago.
It’s semantics but ok…say you have these two options: 1. Franchise tag at $14M 2. Free Agent deal for 3 years: Year 1 salary $18M guaranteed, Year 2 $12M, Year 3 $10M for total contract value of $40M and an average annual salary of $13.3M So if you just look at the avg you’d say the tag is higher but clearly option 2 is way better overall…it’s a larger contract, it has more money now, it has multiple years, etc. Average annual salary doesn’t mean squat shit … it’s all about the guaranteed money. now clearly I just made up the numbers to show a point, but in general, sure if he plays under the franchise tag for those 3 straight years he would be getting 120% of last years tag amount each year sot he $14M becomes $16.8M, but there’s no sure lock on that and the injury bug is a big factor. Look I’m glad there is such a thing as the franchise tag because a team can keep a guy they don’t want to lose, which is great for us fans, but from the player’s point of view, the tag is shit…they can always get a much better deal in the market … the tag salary is based on some average of the top 3 or 5 guys (can’t remember exactly) but when you are going out to market, the rates tend to go up, so you are usually above that average. But regardless…the avg annual salary is a nice number for players’ and agents’ egos so they can brag about it, but how many players when they are in year 4 of a 6 year deal are happy because their avg annual salary is great? None…they are looking at the salaries of guys signing new deals and compare that to the cash they are bringing home and say man I’m underpaid and they can forget about those signing bonuses they got 2 years ago… So yah, avg annual salary doesn’t really mean much…all about the guaranteed money and the timing on when it’s paid (salary, signing bonus, roster bonus, etc.). That’s why players are happy to restructure later to create cap room by converting their $10M salary into a $1M salary and a $9M roster bonus…
The good news is Hughes reports we’re expected to sign Breece longterm after the draft. The bad news: “A general manager in Indianapolis said he graded Hall higher than Kenneth Walker, who signed a contract worth $14.5 million annually that can reach $15 million with incentives. While Hall is not a perfect player, most I touched base with shared that sentiment. At minimum, expect Hall to receive a deal in line with Walker.” Not sure I agree with that at all. He’s had one standout year and injury took his standout rookie year from him. Besides that he’s been injured and mopey while acting like a diva in the process. The numbers between Walker and Hall are similar but to me Walker is a level above.
I have to disagree. Hall is far far more of a home run hitter than is Walker. Walker may be a bit more of an inside guy than Hall but, out in the open field, Hall is the clear winner. I also feel Hall is a better pass catcher. I mean, I know it's hard to tell, what with our QB woes, but I think the addition of Geno and his accuracy is really going to benefit Hall the most. He's basically another receiver. I have ZERO problems paying Hall a little more than Walker. Let me add one more point here. We all know Hall's penchant for melancholy. However, if you had to play with the QB's he's had to, would you be happy? Seeing as he's literally the offensive focus, he's getting "tapped" on every play, regardless if he has the ball or not. Getting a presentable QB and another option to go along side Wilson will open things up for Hall. Personally, I feel his BEST football is ahead of him and, for a change, I'd like the Jets to be the benefactor of that instead of some other team which is the usual case.
I would be happy that my team is signing good players, not bitching about my 14.3M one year contract WHILE those players were being signed. But that's just me.
We probably have no choice but to give him this deal because without him we are left with a massive hole at RB. I still don’t think you can pay him the same amount of money as the Super Bowl MVP with better numbers who is also a model teammate. To me he should be getting closer to what Etienne got from NO. And I think Etienne is better than him too. Some of it is how bad we’ve been but some of it is also him. Whether it’s effort or injury. And yea… when he runs his mouth on Twitter and wants to be “Free” every time he gets his panties in a bunch, it makes it really hard to put all your eggs in his basket. Unfortunately the Chiefs fucked us here.
I don’t know about that…if you were being offered $14M and being shut out from going out and getting $45M with more money up front than the one year $14M plus long term security around injury, would you still be happy? I think most would not. Sorry, but I totally get why players absolutely hate the franchise tag…it totally limits the money they get overall and up front. Great for teams, bad for players. It is what it is. As a fan I’m glad we have it so we can actually keep a player but if it were me or my son in that spot, I would absolutely hate it. $14M is A LOT of money for most normal folks, but for NFL players, they aren’t comparing to normal folks, they are comparing to their peers. It’s no different than if you or me worked at a company and are getting say $120K and 4 other guys doing our same role came in and got $175K and we were told, no sorry, you can’t go out and see if you can find that same job at $175K…you have to be happy with your $120K. No way any of us would be happy with that
The reason Walker is a level above Breece is he picks up the tough yards, even without a hole, that keep drives going. On 3rd and 2 he will find a way to pick it up unless he's hit right away. Breece is way more of a crap shoot, and he may just run into the wash or go wide and be forced out of bounds. People always judge RBs just on their explosiveness. Its smarter to get someone explosive who also frequently make plays when there's nothing there.
