I've tried to stay away from the Chad debates, and I haven't read this entire thread, but I support Chad and don't understand people that are against him. We lead the NFL in rushing with Chad as the QB, but somehow you can't run when you have a weak armed QB. We can't throw it deep, yet every year there are statistics showing Chad throws one of the better deep balls in the NFL. Maybe he doesn't throw the dart, but he's a good F'ing QB. I cannot believe that people would want someone like Grossman over Chad Pennington. Grossman has an arm, can make all the throws, but he kills his team with his wild play. It just so happens he has the best defense in the NFL, best special teams in the NFL, and what he does doesn't really matter all that much. Chad had no running game, a mediocre defense and a 3/5 rookie or new starter line and won 10 games and played pretty consistent throughout the year. People want to rip him for not throwing TD's vs. New England, Jacksonville or Chicago? Those are the best defenses in the NFL and ALL QB's that played them didn't throw a whole lot of TD's. Chad is one of the top 15 QB's in the NFL and if you don't want a guy like that on your team, when every team is driven by QB play, you are crazy.
The point is the teams that go to the Superbowl or have a realistic chance to go to the superbowl have a Qb behind Center who can get the ball in the end zone. Even Grossman has great games once in a blue. Not games where he throws a five yard slant and a reciever takes it 70 yards and it shows up as a 70 yd t/d pass. Because he can throw it that opens up the lanes for the Bears to have a decent running game with Jones and Benson. If he could not throw the Bears would have no offense because they would be looking at 8 in the box as well. Even though he is not a good Qb because he can throw the ball it at least makes the defense play honest. Chad has a lack of arm stregnth and Mobility that is killing the Jets!
If you're trying to build your argument around Rex Grossman, you are actually making our point for us. If Grossman's erratic play isn't enough to keep a team out of the Super Bowl, a little less zip on the ball from Chad certainly isn't. As I've said a million times before, having New England in our division is the primary reason we have been on the low end of the playoffs instead of grabbing a #1 or #2 seed. Put the Pats in the NFC North and see how far Grossman takes the Bears on the road in the playoffs.
The Arguement is as bad a Grossman is at least he can throw well enough to create some offense to get the Bears to the Big game. The fact is we have to deal with the Pats and to do that we need a QB that can compete at his level. Even if we had Defense as good as the bears the Jets still could not beat the Pats because we can not score unless somebody makes a spectacular play. Look at how the Ravens loose every year. We will be in the same boat as them with an awesome defense and no qb every year.
J.P. Losman was a top 15 QB this past year(by the numbers which are better than Pennington's). I still wouldn't encourage our fellow Bill fans to expect J.P. to take them to the promised land. Yes Chad is 3 for 3 taking the Jets to the playoffs - but is that is far as your expectations lead you? I, like others, don't see him getting us out of the 1st rd. Oh wait - give hime a Baltimore-caliber defense and he'll get it done? I'm sorry, but you don't build Baltimore-caliber defense when your QB counts against the cap like Chad does. Finally, and I think I speak for a lot of people here; because I want to upgrade Chad to a guy with a stronger arm DOES NOT mean that I am looking for guy with a laser arm and a 10 cent head. It makes me laugh how guys who support Chad always throw this out there. As if there are only two types of QB's that exist in the world - we can either have Chad Pennington or we can have Browning Nagle!
He got us out of the first round two of the three times he's been there, if we had a kicker he'd have gotten us the the AFC title game with his arm falling off. Get your facts somewhat straight if you wish to continue this.
Okay so it looks like your standards are a bit higher - you seem to be content with the second round. More power to you.
If Herm had some confidence in him he would have let him throw the ball for ten yards and kick a 38 yard field goal instead of a 48 yard one in Pittsburgh in the playoffs. A superbowl Caliber Qb would have been given the oppourtunity to get us in better field goal range. Not to say 48 yards is not a reasonable kick to ask for you guy to hit but the point is it should have been shorter.
Please, save me your reach for the stars speech. Once you get that far it comes down to a call, a kick, a bounce, as we see every time the playoffs happen. New England had a guy who made every kick, we didn't. That's the difference. We have a guy who can get us to the tournament of 12 out of 32 teams even with New England in our division, that's more than half the battle right there. We all want to win a Super Bowl, but you have to get to the first and second round before you can do that. Get me there and I'll take my chances. The level of talent in the NFL is such that there aren't "levels" anymore, you get there and take your shot.
The Title rusher that was slowed down that day because he had to face 8 in the box against Pitt because they knew Chad could not throw. The coach played the hand he was dealt that time. Im no herm supporter either but he had no other option. Everybody knew they were going to run and he could not risk letting Chad throw.
They still could have run forward for a few yards. Even 2 or 3 yards makes the FG easier, as you have pointed out. Besides, in that spot you want to run to work the clock to your advantage. Bottom line, the coach and the kicker fucked up and you want to blame the QB because you don't like him. What were we doing a kick away from the AFC Championship game in the first place if our QB is so inept? And he was playing with an arm that needed surgery immediately afterwards. We can go on all day, it's never going to get through, apparently.
It is never going to get through. I know Chad's situation and that is commendable but that does not change the fact that he is not a Superbowl Caliber Qb even with a Super Bowl Caliber Defense.
In the long run I know that we won't agree here. But for you to dismiss his last statement is silly as actually Rex Grossman is a SB caliber QB. The facts speaks for themselves as he is starting in the SB in about a week.
My point exactly. Rex Grossman is starting in a Super Bowl and Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have each won one.
guarantee they beat seattle. I live in Denver and have to listen to this crap all year. You can't tell me the vets believed in Cutler for the 1st couple games. I also say they beat SF.
How can you support your facts by bringing up a game where chad probably shouldn't even been playing. He had a torn rotator cuff and we missed to FG just of 40 yards that would have won the game. How many QBs have competed in a playoff game with a torn RC?
