QB drafting is not an exact science. Shanahan of all people got it even more wrong with Lance after trading a fortune to get him. That's the guy you would think know a thing or two about the QBs. Which QBs did you want to draft in that draft, the one that's coming up, and other drafts that you feel entitled to call people stupid for not getting it right?
Idk, the parity thing works pretty well. There's some crazy stat where a team has gone from last to first in their division a shockingly high % of the time in any given year. We're just the kings of sustained ineptitude, in big part because we never truly bottom out and get the first overall pick. Not getting the first overall pick leaves room for our bad GMs to screw up and means we're never the most attractive destination for new HC hires since every smart coach knows you need a QB to succeed.
I agree, but I think the fact that we have continued to suck under this system that does support parity, much like our fellow bottom feeders like the Browns and Raiders, is that we have idiots running the show. When you have incompetent leadership who continues to make bad decisions time after time, this is what you get, DESPITE being in a system that is set up to reward the losing teams with better players. This is 100% on Woody. A competent owner would have had some success. A competent owner would have set up the right infrastructure, all the way from the scouting dept to the training facilities to the training programs to the coaching support to the front office personnel. A competent owner would at least know people, if not football, so that he could hire good GMs and good HCs. Instead, our infrastructure has been rated towards the bottom by those NFLPA surveys (legit or not, doesn’t look good that we are rated so low), our owner has consistently hired undeserving and poor GMs, and worse than that, has consistently hired terrible HCs. This is not rocket science. We could have the first pick for 5 years in a row and we’d still suck because Woody doesn’t know who to put in charge of it all. The most frustrating part to me is that while I hated trading away our two best defensive players, that is done, and now we have such a unique value proposition to go and entice a REAL HC candidate to come here and build HIS team with 5 first round picks in the next two years, but instead of using that truly unique advantage in a real HC search, our fucking imbecile idiotic stupid owner, will run Glenn back and just waste another year and some draft picks. We can ALL see it. Glenn sucks as an HC. He is a defensive coach who fields one of the worst defenses in the league, and that’s not only due to our roster…his defenses in Detroit were not great either. He already admitted what we all saw right away, that both is handpicked QB and his handpicked DC both SUCKED. He has delivered nothing. Who the fuck knows what “his brand of football” actually is, but sure as shit it’s not about playing hard and playing smart and winning. We’ve done none of those things. He’s in over his head and we can ALL see it…there is nothing to point to that you can hang your hat on. All of us except Woody, of course.
This will be the first season Kansas City will not be in the AFC Championship game since 2018. think of how much the world has changed since 2018 Even baseball has more parity and they don’t have a salary cap
There's definitely some concentration at the top because of a combination of good ownership/coach/QB, but there's pretty good parity in the rest of the league. The ~25th - 5th best teams get shuffled around quite a bit.
Agreed. It's quite remarkable we haven't made play-offs in 15 years. It's actually very hard to do. 14 teams make play-offs out of 32 every year, that's a fairly high %. To miss 15 years in a row takes remarkable commitment to getting wrong people every single time and keeping them much longer than we should. This is absolutely epic level of idiocy that only Woody is capable of.
Actually, a lot of people thought this at the time and in fact said so on this very board. Frankly, I’d prefer the Jets follow the collective blended wisdom on this board than their own scouting department.
This 1,000,000%!!!!!!!!!! I don’t know who’s in the scouting department but whoever it is, they fucking suck! Not only that, but they’ve sucked for years!
Packers roll over and die vs Ravens meaning Steelers have to play hard against the Browns. Raiders shut down the best of their roster. Who are you guys praying to? Satan? Quinton Coples?
It's very hard to get the wrong people 15 times but I say it's different. It's not about the wrong people. It's the wrong environment and you can bring in a thousand people into a crappy environment and they won't succeed. So it's less about 15 people and more about one bad environment. that has to change and sadly it won't because W is the owner.
I'm actually looking forward to watching today's Giants-Raiders game at 4 today. These days I don't get to watch the Giants much and I think this will be the first time I watch the Raiders this season. Francesa has been mentioning this rookie Jeanty this season so I'm looking forward to watching him.
People create the environment though. From everything we are hearing Woody let Glenn do whatever he wants when it comes to football. Create whatever environment you want. And this is not new, Chris gave full reigns to JD. They just keep hiring wrong people. Woody himself for all his stupidity signs the checks just fine. He does not have reputation of being cheap. And even meddling happens way later, when he instead should be firing bad people in advance. Woody does not create the environment, he hires wrong people who then create bad environment. And that is the biggest problem. But if he happens to stumble into someone good, all of the sudden the environment will be good too. Right now I think there is this opportunity. We have some pieces in place that are are promising, namely Mooge and Banjio. To give Glenn credit, he actually brought in what looks like a good GM. If you recall Tanny wanted to hire a loser assistant GM from Commies via Detroit Lance Newmark to pair with Glenn. But Glenn was smart enough not to get someone who was with Detroit for 30 years when they were a laughingstock of NFL and instead get someone from Denver regime recommended by Sean Payton. Similarly he hired Banjio, who was recommended by ST legend Westhoff. Unfortunately, while Glenn was smart to listen to legendary coaches to hire Mooge and Banjio, he himself is just not a good coach. So, this is the opportunity to let Mooge now hire his coach. Mooge has connection to Kubiak. Imagine if he can lure him in and maybe someone from Denver as a DC. We could even keep Tanner without calling plays and Hayden for OL and compete for play-offs basically immediately. And environment all of the sudden will improve too. Unfortunately Woody is simply too dumb to do it. Probably Glenn will go down in the next year or two and drag Mooge with him. Then Woody will hire another bad HC. And the bad environment cycle will continue.
We got some bad news on the tank, based on the games so far this week our SoS went up. Now the Raiders are ahead of us too on SoS. Basically we might need them to win twice to jump them. I still want them to win this week since it would maintain the Giants as #1 for a possible trade up, but might not improve our own draft position.
Yeah, that really sucks. Definitely need a Giants victory today, I will probably watch every minute of that game just for kicks. Just want to see someone else play bad football for once.
Yeah, it’s actually very interesting I love the idea of a hard cap (though it can still be played with quite easily with the signing bonuses and amortization periods, etc.) and the draft based on win/loss record. STRUCTURALLY, the system itself is very much set up to promote parity and a level playing field. The root cause of why there is no real parity, however, is not the structure of the system. It’s the rules. The fact that all of the rules favor a strong offense…and more specifically, a strong passing offense. Between the roughing the passer, defensive pass interference, and defenseless receiver calls, all of which are very subjective and very tickytack in many if not most of the cases, the rules are set up to allow the offense to pass the ball all day long with very little downside. Which makes the most important position on the field the QB. And the truth of the matter is that in this country of what, 330 million people?…there are not 32 people who can play the QB position well. So the parity thing falls out the window…back before most of these rules changes, you could win with defense, not any more. So if you look at QBs making the playoffs, that’s the thing that is driving the lack of parity.
Yeah the problem with parity in the league is how much they’ve elevated the QB over every other position in the last 20 years. QB’s running more and consistently expanding the league schedule hurts it a lot too. QBs are often hurt and backups are mostly useless in this league.
Another parity issue that comes up is the no trade clause. It's not always a no trade clause but more of a don't trade me to shit teams clause. Most of these guys can still be traded but then have to be traded to teams they want to play for which is always going to be a top 10 team, Crosby is already being linked to the Bears and Bills because these are teams he would agree to be traded too. It's a problem, if players can pick their teams then the bad team divide grows.
I'm hoping that the Giants and Raiders game is SO BAD that it will end in a zero-zero tie. This will lead to an investigation and both teams will be penalized their first round pick for blatant tanking. Browns win, Tennessee wins and of course the Jets actually win. We have to root for the Bills today so they have something to play for next week.
