Well I’m not saying we’ve made good decisions but the opportunities have been there. We’ve punted on McCarthy multiple times when he was available and interested. They interviewed Joe Brady, Dan Quinn and Daboll in 2018 before hiring Gase. Not saying they all are or would’ve been good candidates but seem to be down the right path. There’s a lot made around here as if the Jets are some destination that has zero ability to hire a good coach because they all run away.
This is a drawback to firing guys, but I think it's far outweighed by the benefits of having a good coach vs. a bad one. The Bears, Jags, and Patriots all have young QBs and their teams are all night and day compared to last year because they upgraded their coaches.
He would have been bad even then. I can't recall seeing a coach with less of a feel for the game. The inexplicable way that he used his timeouts yesterday, the debacle in the Denver game, and all of the other similar situations as the season has gone. It's just mind boggling to think about how bad this has been, especially when you turn on other games and see that the rest of the NFL is playing a completely different sport to what the Jets are putting out there on the field every week.
The Jets defense is two games away from setting an unbreakable all time record of zero interceptions in a season. And Glenn is supposed to be a defensive coach specializing in defensive backs. Even Gase didn't manage to pull off something that disturbing.
2/3 have wild turnover luck though. The Jags and Bears are fun stories this year but I’m very curious to see how they look next year. Turnover differential is always hard to carry over year to year.
I would be ok with him coming back if: 1) Glenn had shown something this year 2) The Jets didnt have any draft capital BUT he showed nothing AND the Jets are in a franchise changing position in terms of draft capital. Allowing Glenn to return will be a fatal error that will effect the coming years when the Jets have a great position to turn this around if the right moves were made in terms of drafting and coaching hire.
I agree, good coaches are better than bad coaches. I do think that keeping a bad coach is better than firing a bad coach and hiring another bad coach, and I think this is FAR more likely.
This is where I've quickly settled in on. I think this much draft capital married to an Aaron Glenn coaching regime is basically throw away. The jury is still out on Mougey as far as a GM is concerned albeit the early returns are promising. HOWEVER couple that draft talent with, clearly, a coaching staff that doesn't belong heading a DIII school and they will be taking what should be a franchise altering couple years and flush it down the ole' crapper. I've seen NOTHING from the Glenn era, so far, that instills a shred of confidence that he can coach up DEFENSE let alone any players on the offense. So, yeah...
No. But my point is that the Jets are their own worst enemy. They’ve hired poorly although that’s their own doing. It’s not some league conspiracy where decent candidates don’t want to come here. We’ve just made egregiously bad decisions.
Reasonable, and not at all wrong. It's just hard for me to imagine that if a candidate had the option to become a head coach in the NFL, and he had more than 1 team available as an option, that he would choose the Jets. I've been a fan for over 40 years, and as much as I bleed Green, I would sooner work for any other owner than Woody. I'd take the Browns or Raiders jobs first.* *Even for less $$$
Why though? The Browns have a worse owner and have been a drastically worse franchise than us. They’ve made the playoffs 4 times since 1990. The Raiders too. They’ve made the playoffs twice since 2003. As bad as our 15 year drought is, those are probably worse.
No kidding, at least they have had recent (within the last 30 years) of success! I don't know much about Curling or Jai alai or Cricket or Rugby or Soccer but I'm willing to bet there's not a professional sports team, on the planet, that has had the run of just dog shit teams since the 60's that the Jets have had. I'm sure there's some miniscule sport out there but... I mean, 4.................four......................FOUR!!! That is the # of Division titles the NY Jets have won in their entire existence. That isn't just a travesty, that's got to be up there with Unicorns or some shit like that as almost unbelievable. ESPECIALLY in the Salary Cap era where parity was the entire point of the exercise. JSMH
I could live with that 2003 was a Super Bowl run. Hell, there's many a Jets fan who could say the would be able to die with a smile on their face if the team actually showed up in a Super Bowl in the last 20-ish years. Edit: I take that back. Wouldn't even take a SB run. Hell, I'd be happy with above .500 for a change.
I used them as an example because they are also terribly run organizations. However, it feels like they are at least swinging for the fences and missing the ball -- it feels like Woody is missing the ball while trying to putt.
That’s been my take… 1. I hated the AG hire from the jump … just sick and tired of rookie DC hires who have to learn on the job and haven’t focused in their career on identifying and developing a QB. 2. This roster needed a LOT of help, no doubt, but it wasn’t an 0-7 roster. No way. And it was bad even before the trades we made. 3. There is literally only ONE thing AG can point to and say it improved, and that’s the punt/kick return teams. That’s IT. Nothing else got better. Offense didn’t despite a better OL. Defense got significantly worse. 4. AG’s hand picked guys have been disasters…Fields has never looked worse, and Wilks as well. Those were AG’s hires. It’s all on him. So given that we came into this year with a bad team, what did I expect or want to see? If we’d been watching a team fight hard and just lose close games, if we’d been watching a team that plays fundamentally sound football (and on D it’s atrocious between the absolute shit tackling, the lack of takeaways, and the number of wide receivers that we just let run WIDE open, it’s one of the worst defenses we’ve ever fielded), if we’d been watching a team that drastically cut down on all of the stupid penalties, if we’d been watching a well-coached team with clever game plans, etc. If we’d seen any of that, I’d say ok, the talent needs to improve, but I can see what the HC is trying to build here. But you can’t say that. He talks a whole big game, but 15 games in, most of us still have ZERO idea what exactly “our brand of football” is. AG has been a total disaster. Not unexpected as he really wasn’t all that good a DC anyway, but of course Woody the idiot goes to the right team but hires the wrong coach. And I know Ben Johnson wasn’t interested in this job, but that doesn’t mean you go hire the other guy from that team. The worst part is the media I’m sure will sing the “consistency” song and say Woody needs to give Glenn a chance to build his team with all these picks, but I say consistency is the key EFFECT not the CAUSE of greatness. I’ve seen what Glenn has done. I don’t think he can go from this to decent next year and then to great sometime after. I just don’t see it. I’d rather not waste another year and two high draft picks to be proven right. I’d rather use these two high draft picks PLUS the next three high draft picks (and that’s not even counting the second round picks) as enticement to go get a real coach…an offensive guy. Call McCarthy. Call Kingsbury. Two guys with HC experience. If not those guys, go find some successful OC’s…not sure exactly who but for starters I’d go look at the Rams and 49ers staffs, I’d go look at Joe Brady. I’d even kick the tires on Stefanski if the Browns let him go…I know he’s struggled but he also did get coach of the year (twice I think) and I think he also made the playoffs. With the fucking Browns. THAT’s impressive. Honestly, I’d take ANY of those guys over keeping Glenn another year and wasting not only the year but the carrot that 5 1st round picks can bring… I doubt Woody does it, but maybe if we continue to get blown out for these last two games (likely as both the Bills and Pats have a lot to play for), maybe the embarrassment is too much and Woody reacts. We can only dream…
He needs to be fired. Anyone looking at this objectively would come to the same conclusion. If you bring in someone proven at running a team like Harbaugh or McCarthy they would be able to make this team competitive by 2027 if not next year. This all comes down to Woody Johnson. Can he admit he was wrong? Can he admit he should have hired the best candidate rather hire based on who would get rid of Rodgers because he had personal feud with him? Probably not and if anything Rodgers having success in Pittsburgh likely drives Woody even more mad to double down on Glenn to prove he made the right choice when he clearly did not.
He should be fired but he won’t be, his ego drives a lot of his decisions and that scares the hell out of me, especially with all the draft capital the Jets have this season. I have a terrible feeling that the draft which could turn this team around quickly, will not be good because he’s a bully, and acts like he’s in this alone and he’s some kind of mastermind with a plan that no one has seen before. I believe having thick skin is important as a HC, however the team has looked unprepared and outmatched within the first 10 minutes of the games. I feel like it’s just a matter of time before the opposition starts having their way with jets every game.
