The Official 2025 Tankathon Thread

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by James Hasty, Sep 22, 2025.

  1. mezzavo

    mezzavo Well-Known Member

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    Ummm...no, we don't. Can I not state this any clearer: BOTH those QB's you talked about are fair to MID-LING at BEST.

    5 years from now I'd wager that one or both will be battling for backup job duties. Harder to say with Moore because he's so raw but... I don't see it. I watched the Ohio St./Indiana game. I was "moderately" impressed with Mendoza, in so far as he looked good in a college game. However, the physical gifts are like 30% of the makeup. This dude appears to have a mental makeup that simply screams, "not an NFL caliber QB." Maybe in a tiny market like Indy he "might" succeed. NY will spit this kid out in less than 5 minutes flat. Did you SEE that post game? My goodness, the NY Post alone would eviscerate that kid. He'll be seeking out leather couches instead of training room tables before his rookie season would be in the books. He's not the first. Tons of kids have come into the NFL with boat loads of physical talent. Heck, if physical talent were all that's to it, Anthony Richardson would already BE in the HoF. That kid drips physical ability. QB, though...it's all in the mind.

    No, I do not know him personally, but everything I've seen, read or hear about his non-football related self just smacks of a person that is simply not going to be able to handle the scrutiny. Especially in a place like NY. Just an opinion. I've said it before and I'll say it for the last time. NEITHER of these kids are worth blowing major draft capital to move up. IF, and as you are all seeing, that's a BIG IF either "fall" to the Jets I guess it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to go ahead and grab whomever does fall, if they fall, but, if I were the GM, I wouldn't do it. I'd take that draft capital and fill in the MAJOR holes the team has, absolutely EVERYWHERE, but o-line. Moore really is a big ? and most of my opinion is formed by the far more informed info. provided by @Jonathan_Vilma and others who spend the time to investigate.
     
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  2. mezzavo

    mezzavo Well-Known Member

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    I was talking to one of my employees this morning, BIG Raiders fan, and even he finally admitted, after many weeks of me pointing it out, that Geno is NOT the problem in Raider land. OMG, that offensive line make the Jets offensive line, from 3 years ago, look like the 90's Cowboys! I'm not sure anyone on their line would qualify as a 3rd stringer on most teams. Geno is getting tore up from the floor up. Couple that with the fact that they basically threw their entire WR corps in the trash. Bowers and Jeanty are their ONLY weapons and, poor Jeanty, see my comment about their o-line! Coupled with a defense that's worse than ours. If the Raiders draft a QB this year vs. O-line it won't matter who they put back there.

    As far as Cleveland goes, yet another mystery. Seriously, don't they basically have HALF their entire salary cap tied up in ONE position? Hard to say how the draft will shape up but, if I had to guess, one if not BOTH QB's could very easily fall. We'll see.
     
  3. Borat

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    Don't mean as absolutes, that we will only know after the fact months from now. I even said, based on what I know today, that's what I think, subject to change as more info comes in. Also, the Browns are paying Watson 46 mil next year, not 80. This is still a huge sum, but just to keep to the facts. I think it is clear though Watson is not their future, they effectively admitted it. They might trade Sanders too, they already did that to the two QBs they had. Agreed that we don't know for sure, but I do hope you are right and they will do what doesn't make sense!
     
  4. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    His cap hit is $80 million I believe because they asked him to defer some of this years salary to next year to give them a little bit of flexibility.

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21753/deshaun-watson

    Only point I’m making is that Haslam is a bad finicky owner who interferes. I could see him saying no, we’re not taking another QB this year and adding $12 million the positional payroll. Figure it out with Watson for now.
     
  5. Borat

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    CAP hit they can maneuver again if they have to, but payroll is 46 mil, it's on the same link you gave, under cash flow. But yeah, I hope that they do try to figure it out with Watson :) That would be so stupid though.
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    If they defer some of the cap hit, they’re probably committing to him for longer, no?

    I mean I don’t have much faith in Deshaun Watson but I was shocked to see he’s still only 31. He was in league MVP a couple years in his career. I wouldn’t be shocked if they try to give it a go with him.
     
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  7. mezzavo

    mezzavo Well-Known Member

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    At this point, though, would you think Watson has basically checked out?

    I've heard a LOT of talking heads, Patty Kirwan for example, who have vocalized they think he's "done." Still matters all the $ though. As you mentioned in another thread, can easily see Haslam saying, "get your ass on the field." lol
     
  8. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    He’s way more likely to be done than anything else. But it’s not like this is Johnny Manziel. The guy was being talked about with the Mahomes and Josh Allen’s
    of the league 5 years ago.
     
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  9. mezzavo

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    I guess it boils down to how much "want to" is left in his tank. At his age, he conceivably could play another decade considering his body should have fully healed (minutes the leg) and he hasn't taken the constant beating the last 3 or 4 years. IF he wants another contract then how much does he "want to" play is the real question. Dumbest freakin' contract in the history of the NFL and, single handedly, the reason QB contracts have morphed so ridiculously out of control so quickly. Talk about a "poster contract" as to WHY there is a limit on "guaranteed money" in the NFL.
     
  10. Borat

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    No, that's not how CAP works. This is more for their own management of overall CAP structure, which typically involves players with large contracts, just because that's how the system was designed. This does not have any impact on actual player (whom the CAP is counting against) commitment. The only actual commitment is 46 mil for next year. Beyond that there is nothing. Given his injury history and the fact he was awful for them even before he got hurt, I just doubt they care he was in the MVP discussion in Houston. But if they do, that's amazing news for us! Maybe we can trade up to their pick and get Moore :)
     
  11. Borat

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    Atlanta beating the Bucks is a good development. One, they would still be behind us even if we win another game, so with 1 win we cannot be worse than 9th overall. Second, their pick belongs to the Rams, and the Rams not very often have a high pick, so there are rumblings they might use this opportunity and get a QB to groom under Stafford kind of like what GB did with Rodgers.

    They came back in a pretty remarkable way, making amazing catches. And yet against us they dropped easy balls at the end. Had they not, we would be sitting at #2 right now ahead of the Raiders or any other team needing a QB. 1 "win" dropped us 5 spots and behind several teams who might need a QB. Brutal price to pay.
     
  12. mezzavo

    mezzavo Well-Known Member

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    Kyle Pitts Jr. netted me 42 points in fantasy, Atlanta coming back was phenomenal!! :D:D
     
  13. Borat

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    Washington and NO win, so we are #5 now. Massive must lose game coming up against the Saints next week.
     
  14. NOVAJET

    NOVAJET "2020 TGG Fantasy Football Champ"

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    I have faith we can handle it lol
     
  15. Borat

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    In Wilks we trust!
     
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    Wilks is terrible, but its compounded by our linebacker core.

    There's just no leadership. The defense can't audible or read the offense. They just run a play which is not good defense unless you're talented (we're not). The jets really need to invest heavily in the middle of the field players on defense.
     
  17. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    We are 65-121 since Mike Tannenbaum was fired.

    As he was hand picked by Parcells I think his firing was the end of any residual influence our former coach had on the team.

    In this time since moving on we had one 10 win season and are piling up an impressive streak of missing the playoffs.

    Not sure how any of this gets better.
     
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    Only by people who really hadn't seen him.

    I knew the Browns would blow up with him. He went there for the $$$. He is a slightly-better-than-average QB who had a career year, like many do.

    I wouldn't have taken him for even one #1 pick.
     
  19. jets_fan

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    It won't.

    The Jets are punting on 2026 by retaining Glenn. And when this regime is done wasting this haul of draft picks they've accumulated, the hole this franchise is in will, somehow, be even deeper. Woody has a once in a generation chance to do a full reset of the franchise with a haul of draft picks that would attract people to come in and run this franchise that might otherwise not be interested. Not seizing on this opportunity to run it back another year with one of the worst coaches this franchise has ever had will set this franchise back several more years, if not a full decade, depending on how badly they botch the QB situation moving forward.
     
  20. Borat

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    And that's the key: the QB situation. I do have some confidence in Mooge, because he was the one that created the chance you spoke of. If Mooge is able to get a young good QB here, even if Glenn fucks 2026 and only gets fired then, we will still be able to reset with 2027 draft capital. And that is really goal #1, 2, and 3 for us: get a good young QB here in 2026. The QB will transcend Glenn and along with 3 1st round picks will make the job attractive in 2027. But we need to get the QB right.
     

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