Yes I became aware of that reading the Indiana box score about 3 weeks ago. I did about 2 or 3 double takes….very rare indeed.
Ok but the way to manage this is to for AG and get the right coach. You can't compensate for a bad HC even if you bring Aaron Rodgers into the building (ask me how I know ) I was all for giving AG two or three years. But if you believe you can't draft a QB because AG is the coach, then AG has to go. You get a coach in here who you trust, and you draft the QB. That's my take.
I agree wholeheartedly that we should draft for need and trade up if we have to. Biggest need is a top QB, so...
Very hard to say. Darnold had some bad games here with the Jets - worse even than we have seen from Fields. He probably wasn't just a year away, and Saleh wasn't the coach to get him there. If Saleh was fired, an offensive mind came in, could he have been turned around quickly? I mean he clearly had the ability, we can see that now. I guess we will never know. Chalk it down to yet another Jets-ism....
Agreed. Don't take the cheese on the rising QB in the middle of the first round. No, he's not "almost" as good. Amen. For what is worth, if they get their top choice even if they trade up I will be happy. And honestly I think you've said everything that needs to be said on this topic. Nice post
There’s not really any data saying AG and this staff can or can’t develop a QB. There are opinions of course, but it’s all based on Justin Fields performing well, like Justin Fields. There’s some stat that says he’s lost a bajillion games in his career when the opposing team scores like 21 or 24 points. So yeah, AG didn’t convert Fields into a good QB but I have to doubt Andy Reid would’ve either. Bringing Fields in for this staff and GM was sort of a win/win for them. If he performs well, they look brilliant if he performs as he always has well it is what it is.
Perhaps. All I'm saying is if you don't believe he is the right coach, don't adjust your plan to get a QB because of that. Get the right coach and move on My personal view? I think he deserves another chance but he needs to get a more experienced OC, ideally a failed HC. He needs an experienced voice supporting him. Engstrand might not be the boob I think he is, but it's just too little experience across the board. They don't win if they sign a tackling dummy as QB for 30mil and he proves he is a tackling dummy. It was a gamble. A bad one. They lost. Mougey has drafted some good players, but the Fields things is borderline fireable by itself.
Brian Daboll, for now, is the ONLY experienced OC I can think of that will definitely be on the street looking.
He would be a guy the Jets should roll the Brinks truck out for. Has successfully grown a HoF caliber QB, failed as a head coach but likely overqualified as an OC. Won't get a HC job this year. I'd love it.
As stubborn as Glenn is, do you REALLY think he'll fire or reassign the RBC/QBC back to a job he knows how to do? How long did it take Glenn to finally pull the plug on Fields. A runningbacks coach SHOULD NOT be mentoring your FQB fresh out of college. That's on Glenn 100% but with him channeling his inner Parcells, he'll never admit he fckd up that hire. So, drafting a kid out of college in the hope that out of nowhere, a mentor will show up and guide this kid is a reach. Almost as big a reach as Glenn actually hiring a QBC that knows what it takes to be successful in the league.
It isn’t though for the exact reason @Jonathan_Vilma said. This was never anything other than a trial that had a high chance at failing and its fairly obvious at this point that ownership was on board with the plan. The contract didn’t hamper the salary cap and you’re still looking to 2026 for your QB like you were going to be doing regardless of what bridge QB came here.
Am I missing something about the salary? I keep hearing if we cut him it's over a 20mill cap hit, that's hardly nothing. They signed him to starter money, noone else in the league was willing to do that so we were bidding against ourselves (the steelers were not paying him starter money after benching him)
$10 mil cap hit if we cut him, $20 mil if we keep him. So the answer is obvious there. And yea you have to pay more than the Steelers if you want him so they did. I hate that that was the plan, but I get it.
Yes agreed with the plan, and I can fully understand the “plan”, the “strategy” What bothers the fuck out of me is the EXECUTION of that strategy. I HATED the choice of Fields to be the bridge…he was NEVER going to “get it”, and certainly not with a fucking RB coach as his position coach. It’s the execution of the plan that I have an issue with. If a damn finance guy with no professional football experience like me could see that Fields was a waste of time, why the fuck couldn’t these so-called professionals…the brain trust we hired to build this team…see it? That is what bothers me…their judgment at the most important position on the team was piss poor, and that’s why I have such an issue with it…we so desperately need a QB that we’ll most likely draft one high this year, and it’s possible we either draft one high next year as well. THESE are the guys who are going to have to develop that QB. I have so little faith that they can do it…based on the fact that our HC is a rookie defensive guy who has already shown piss poor judgement on how to fill the QB position. Chances are high that he will fuck up whomever we draft as well…
Gentlemen, I’m not knowledgeable about evaluating college players but my biggest fear is that we don’t pick a QB this draft, shit the bed next season, and have Woody demand we make a BIG splash in the draft and pick the only Manning (as far as I know from your reviews) that isn’t that good at quarterback. As I said before, I’m not a talent evaluator but something is causing me to see a lot of red flags about Arch. Sadly, it’s just another SOJ situation. Damned if we do and TOTALLY F’d if we don’t. P.S. I still don’t have any faith that our current coaching staff can develop a QB. Doesn’t matter who.
Sigh. This is where the Jets fans grossly exaggerate and lose their minds over minuscule things that probably don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. Can you name any of the great quarterback coaches of our generation without looking anything up? QB coaches, not offensive coordinators. Further to that question, if you find one, let’s see what position group they started out coaching. London has been a QB coach since 2021. He was Matt Ryan’s QB coach in 2021-2022 in Atlanta, Tannehill & Levi’s in 2023 when Tannehill got hurt and Geno’s in 2024 in Seattle. He also worked with Matt Nagy in Chicago as the RB coach with good offensive systems that elevated Trubisky to the playoffs several times. It’s not unusual for guys to move around to coach different position groups and QB coach is the golden landing spot for anyone who wants to advance themselves.
I don’t care what positions London has coached before and yes I get they change…I can look at the results and say that what we are doing isn’t working. Regardless, it’s not like London has a long history of developing QBs is it? It was foolish to think that a guy like Fields would somehow “get it” when being coached by a guy like London and a new rookie OC and a new rookie defensive HC. The whole thing is set up to fail. And then another knock on the judgment comes with Wilks. Again, I totally get the thinking in hiring a former HC to help AG acclimate to the role, and I like that decision, but unfortunately the execution of that decision was fucked up. Wilks has been a disaster… So my overall point is that while I get the strategy behind the approach that has been implemented, I think the execution of that approach has been totally mismanaged because our brain trust can’t seem to identify the right guys to put in the right seats. They know the playbook, the approach, but they fuck up the actual hires. That’s why I have so little faith in AG and this staff being able to figure out how to identify and develop the right QB next year when we have to draft one. Their track record is not great. Doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t improve, and I hope he does, but man so far AG has earned pretty much NO good faith from me…I haven’t seen much positive out of this staff
I truly can’t remember if I’ve had this same discussion with 69 or 79, so forgive me if I’m saying something you’ve already heard, probably more than once. It’s a little crazy to me to base your entire opinion of This coaching staff scouting and coaching ability on Justin Fields. It was a dart throw. No one in this organization looked at him and said “you know what that’s our guy, Go get him and we are set for a decade”. And we have proof of that because he was basically Given a glorified one year contract. That’s the kind of contract you give someone who you think maybe could be something, probably won’t be something. So why are we Acting like this regime put all of their eggs into one basket and that basket failed after years and years of trying? And why are we pretending that it’s an overworking statement on the scouting or ability to develop players?
Ok you didn’t answer my question though. What QB coach was available that has a “long history of developing QB’s” that you know of? Again, some of these posts are just from a place of wild hysteria, non-sensical and completely lack context of how the NFL coaching circulation works. Yeah we didn’t hire Mike Holmgren to be the QB coach. He wasn’t available and wasn’t coming here to do that. So let’s be realistic about things we’re mad about, no? Here’s some examples of guys with limited “QB coach” experience before they became QB coaches or other. Examples Klint Kubiak (Seahawks OC)- was an offensive quality control assistant in college/pro’s and wide receivers coach in college for almost a decade before coaching QB’s. He has worked under Shanahan and might be the hottest coordinator to head coach name this offseason. Todd Monken (Ravens OC) - coached receivers and defensive backs in college for four years and then receivers and running backs at a variety of places for a decade before becoming an OC. Greg Roman (Chargers OC) - was an offensive line assistant and tight ends coach for almost ten years before coaching QBs for one year and then went back to being an offensive line coach before bouncing around roles. Ben Johnson (Bears HC) - everyone’s darling here. Has coached tight ends and receivers for many more years than he’s coached quarterbacks in the NFL. Sean McVay (Rams HC) - has coached tight ends and receivers. He’s never coached QB’s in his life and he’s probably the best offensive mind in the NFL.
Look you guys both make good points I’ll admit I hated the AG hire from day 1, mostly because I’m just tired of going the rookie DC route when it hasn’t worked with the last 6 guys we tried it with. My overall point is that I’ve seen very little to give me any hope that hey, maybe THIS time, we got the right guy. Super frustrated at all of that, and again, I’ve seen very little to provide any glimmer of hope…we took at mediocre defense and somehow made it worse, and that’s before trading away two former All Pro’s. We gambled on a QB that had barely more than a zero chance to succeed, but didn’t surround him with top coaching talent, we went with a rookie OC (who I think has looked ok honestly, but a bit hard to judge with the QB play we’ve had) and a QB coach who may not be terrible but isn’t a proven long term QB guy either…I have no idea who else we could have gotten to do the job, but if they think he is the best guy for it, then great. To be honest, I don’t know that any QB coach could build Fields into a good QB, so no I’m not freaking out about this one hire. I’m more overall reacting to what I’ve seen on the field, which is a new coaching staff that has taken a bad team and made it worse.
