I will never understand this perspective. Good coaches turn bad teams around very quickly every year. Rebuilds are not supposed to take 3 years. Glenn should get 1, maybe 2 years, and if we're not a hell of a lot better by the end of year 2 he should be gone.
I’m a lot about how it all looks so I try not to put a timeline on it. But as of now, it looks horrendous. Our better players are all underperforming for the most part (Q, Sauce, Breece, Sherwood, Cisco, Will McDonald, etc.). There aren’t any “lower” tier players that are being elevated beyond their expected performance. The only three players I think that are playing any semblance of good football right now are the two tackles and Garrett Wilson and the two tackles looked a bit shaky for the first time last week. On top of that, the effort is utter garbage. A lot was made of Chris Jones’s shitty effort on the final Lawrence touchdown last night. Analysts could have a field day with Jets defenders doing the same thing all year but specifically against the Cowboys. We also have a chronic fumbling which I’ve never seen hit a NFL team before. I’ve seen specific players have the problem, not what seems like an entire fucking team. So yeah. Bad roster and all but if the good players played up to their potential, we wouldn’t be so bad and that’s on coaching IMO.
It's not going to take three years to see if Glenn is the kind of coach he was hired to be. Year two is when things absolutely need to be on an upswing for him to survive.
If players have quit on him already then they are not players we want on this team at all. The deep embedded stench of suck also is within the players as well. Keep the players who are pissed at losing, pissed at making mistakes, that strive to solve issues and deficiencies ...start there. Until we purge this team of everyone I have zero faith of a turnaround. We broke a group of men that are all now a ok with losing. Culturally start there and build a foundation but one can't exist in this power vacuum of ownership
If the defense is the same it is now, and we win 2-3 games, I don't even think he should year 2. It's exactly like Gase, maybe worse. When Gase took over in the 1st year the season was over in September. He then won some games to ruin draft position, but the offense, his specialty, sucked. We actually won a few because of Greg Williams, the DC. If the guy cannot even get his own side of the ball right with the same roster, which previous defensive coaches actually did all right with, I just don't see how things can magically turn around in the second season. It would be the same as Gase, and I don't want to waste another year. I feel like Glenn needs to show something this year to earn year 2. And so far he has not done that.
The jets have struggled to get anyone decent to want to be their HC and GM for years because of how the franchise is run. Firing another coach after just one year, especially one who is a home grown jet, will send more of the same signals to the rest of the league that the jets organization is a chaotic mess. You can’t be short sighted here. Yes the jets need to turn around their on field performance, but they also need to turn around their reputation as an organization. Without that, no one good will be coming. The organization needs to show faith in Glenn and provide any and all support. Cutting him after a year is not the way to do that.
Unless it’s Gruden. You know that guy is itching to come back, he’s a phenomenal coach and offensive mind, and he doesn’t have alot of options given his “scandal”. He’d turn our franchise around quickly and bring stability and respect for the next decade.
Idk Gruden looked like crap in his last attempt at a comeback with the Raiders. Out of the game so long its like impossible to keep up with how different it is. A 2002 offense wont get it done
I disagree. The guy studies film every day, his passion is working with QB’s, and he’s got great leadership qualities. His time in OAK was marred with Goodell’s petty and frivolous revenge campaign releasing emails that had nothing to do with Gruden just to get him back for criticizing him. If I had the choice right now to ditch Glenn and hire Gruden I’d do it in a heartbeat. I guarantee there wouldn’t be anyone standing around on the field not playing to the whistle.
Gruden lost 34-3 to Adam Gase's Jets of all teams. Lets not romanticize him too much. Maybe they played hard to the whistle though in that game I can't remember
Really? So he lost one game big, that’s your argument? I was about to go pull a listing of the worst losses by Andy Reid, Bellicheck, Parcells, Lombardi….. then I realized how ridiculous your argument is. Sheesh. Bill Belicheck won bunches of Super Bowls, but did you know he lost the the 6-10 Bills by a score of 31-0 in 2003. Yup, he was awful.
no he lost a lot more than 1 game in his return with the Raiders. He was there for 3 seasons before the scandal and did not have a winning season Gruden shouldn't be compared to Reid, Belichick, Parcells. Lombardi ever. He should be compared more to Doug Pederson, who also won a superbowl and was generally mediocre other than that
The game has passed Gruden by at least when he was with the Raiders. Nagle isn’t wrong, his offense looked antiquated. A lot of under center A-gap dive plays and crap like that. His larger downfall in Oakland was probably the insistence on roster control though. It’s ok that he gutted the roster but he pissed away the fruits of those trades by taking guys like Henry Ruggs, Clelin Ferrell, etc. I think he’s smart enough to realize he’d need to adapt and change and would ultimately probably be a 7-10 win football coach again somewhere. But he’s talked about like he’s a Harbaugh here sometimes and it’s silly.
He had the team improving year over year. He’s a proven HC, and the only one this team would have a shot of hiring. Gruden on his worst day is better than anything I’ve seen from Glenn. There are literally players standing around on the field while the play is still going. These aren’t just bad players, these are players giving minimal effort. Not just one player, almost every one. Glenn is in way over his head.
I think he’s smart enough to know not to have tv personalities picking his players. Again I don’t expect Vince Lombardi to walk through our doors, but Woody’s insistence to hire and subsequently fire shitty, inexperienced defensive coordinators that lack leadership qualities has made this franchise completely toxic to anyone with a high standing reputation. But considering the players are already tone deaf to Glenn as is demonstrated by their lack of effort and playing to the whistle, and the fact that we have no one in the building of whom we should have any shred of confidence in working with and developing a hopeful future franchise QB, out next 4 years with this coaching staff is going to go down as the worst coaching and performance in our history. Glenn is absolutely the worst hire this team has made simply for the fact we have had so many instances of examples here of why Glenn will not work, but yet here we are again. Woody doesn’t learn, and we keep plummeting to new record setting levels of disgusting football. Hooray, we’re the first team to go 0-5 and not have created a single turnover and we hired a friggin Defensive Coordinator as our coach.
Is he? Mike Mayock was his handpicked GM. Probably would’ve done a better job picking players than Gruden if that’s what you’re insinuating.
