I knew we were in for a shit day when he missed GW on a TD throw where Garrett beat his man in single coverage. A throw any NFL QB should be able to make.
He has to hit that throw. It was a big mistake, and there were others. Overall it was not a good game for him. But that's when you knew we had a shit day? I mean Dak missed a wide open TD on the first drive too. I think when Breece fumbled the ball on the 9, like Allen last time at the 1, when we were about to tie the game, it was this here we go again moment, when I realized this day will be total shit.
I don't know, maybe we should trade the whole team. But 1st I think we need a coach we can trust to make these decisions. If this keeps going we will have a top pick, and we will also need to pick a QB, but do I want Glenn to do it? I don't think so.
Maybe. Woody called him Glenn's side kick though. If they stay, Glenn may be making this critical call. I actually don't dislike Mooge yet, even though he could have done better just because the roster is very similar to what Bob had in 2022 when he won 7 games with no OL and #32 rated QB in NFL. But as you can probably tell I am not very happy with AG at the moment...
When have you ever heard the owner refer to the GM as a side kick of a coach? To be fair though, I do not want us to trade key players. I do not think the roster is that bad. I was speaking more out of frustration of losing and wanting a competent coach. I do think we may get rid of some of the expiring contracts at the deadline, which we may not want back next season. Maybe someone like Quincy.
A dopey guy says something dopey? What a surprise! My point was that you seem to have ascribed the duties of a General Manager to a coach who is showing signs he may already have too much on his plate. Let's let the GM get the groceries and the coach decide how to prepare the meal.
Wasn’t Vrabel the Jets first choice but ended up with Glen after he chose NE? Look at NE now. Weren’t they supposed to be bad? ⁸
Maybe it wasn’t the future hall of fame QB’s fault after all still amazed that we outright released #8 last year yet again , the Jets are smarter than us all….hope this team goes 1-16 Aren’t you guys sick of this shit yet
Firing Bob after London was a mistake. We’ll never know for sure where the team would have landed but I’m confident it would have been better with him than it was without.
Fields is gonna be our QB for the season barring injury. The plan was to take a flyer on him while we evaluate the rest of the young guys on the roster. Fields is not good at all, and he’s part of the problem as to why we’re losing, but he’s not the sole reason nor even close to the main reason we’re losing. He’ll be gone before next season.
I completely agree that's what SHOULD happen. But how can you dismiss Woody's statement, no matter how moronic it is? I mean he is the one making this decision, so this dopey statement is likely an indication of a dopey decision - he appears to think Glenn is Parcells or close to it. At the very least Glenn has significant influence in all personnel moves. Remember how he was comparing guys like Smith and Moore to the guys he had in Detroit and even talked Branch about Moore before drafting him. But yeah, I completely agree, too much on his plate may be the understatement of the year. With all that said, getting back to main point, I would still not trade Fields right now. I am not sure AG (or even Mooge) survives the year. He probably will, but Woody is unpredictable. We end up with #1 pick, get embarrassed in front of his friends in London or maybe if he has someone in his box at Metlife, and who knows. I think Fields played like an averagish NFL starting QB. Not great, but not terrible. That is a big decision that I would not want them to make at this point without even knowing if they are here next year.
Fields has maybe been average-ish I guess…to me he’s been more bad than good, despite the stats looking pretty good. This is a textbook case of the stats without the context not being the whole story, especially as many of the issues are more subtle and you need to look beyond the stats to really get it…that wobbler throw to Hall on that first drive a couple of weeks ago goes down as a completion so the stats are fine but it was a horrible throw. He had another throw to GW on a crosser the week before that was behind GW but the receiver turned, slid and caught the ball…had the throw been more accurate GW catches it in stride and turns the corner for a first down. That’s two plays as examples of good stats on bad plays….of course there are way too many missed throws and too many sacks. But the gist is the same…his stat lines look better than he actually played and if you just watch the games and don’t over analyze you come away with a very different impression of his day many times…kind of like when you watch the games and then later see the stats and are surprised with a kind of “oh wow, I didn’t realize he played that well” kind of reaction. That being said, I agree he is not the main reason we are losing…it’s not like his bad play is holding the team back, and if we weren’t having the huge issues with too many penalties and too many turnovers and no take aways, we are probably not 0-5…not that we’d have won every game, but could we be 2-3? Yeah maybe. So I just think what I’ve seen through 4 games of Fields lines up pretty much exactly with what we’ve all seen of him through 3 years and 2 teams. He is not a good QB. He is a GREAT runner. That’s who he is. I am ambivalent on him…fine with letting him play out the year this year but I don’t want him as our QB next year…we absolutely have to draft a QB high next year. I would also absolutely be totally fine with trading him this year if we could to a QB needy team if that chance came up and slugging out the rest of the year with Tyrod or even picking up a scrub like Mike White again…fragile as he was at least he could complete some passes and he brought energy when he was here. However, I don’t see anyone choosing to trade for Fields…the only conceivable team would be Baltimore if Lamar is out for while maybe because Fields can run and that is a big part of their offense. We already saw Cincinnati trade for a 40+ year old Flacco so they are out of the discussion. I just don’t see it happening, but I’d be fine if it did…not like we’d be missing out on much
Fields is actually on pace for a career year, believe or not. I'm not saying he's a good QB by any stretch, but there are bigger issues than him. Somebody cited the scores for 4 games in the first half, but how many of those first half possessions were destroyed by penalties and turnovers? Fields is the easy blame, and yes I agree he's not good, but he's not the biggest issue we have by far.
I think he’s serviceable for the season. I get a little anxious when people start saying he’s good because the worst thing this team could do is consider him part of the future. He’s not good at all.
He was released this year, not last. He accomplished nothing here of value and is too old to plan a future around.
Agreed... Like I said.. there's no one in the bldg. that can help Fields get better at playing QB. Big mistake in signing Fields knowing his limitations.
It's extremely easy to dismiss anything the guy says - I don't understand how anyone could hang on his every casual word, and surely "sidekick" is a casual word. It had already been made clear by the organization that the Jets were returning to their process of the coach and GM operating in concert but independently with each reporting only to the owner. Fields was brought here to buy time until the right guy comes available either through the draft or by trade; he's no worse than I expected him to be. Between him and Taylor the Jets will still win four or five games. There are too many moving parts right now to determine what next year will look like. I can wait.
I don't even think we are that far apart on Fields, but our perspectives may be different. According to any measure, be it conventional stats, ESPN formula, EPA, PFF (which does not look at stats), Fields is about an average starting QB. Conventional rating: #14 QBR: #22 EPA: #16 PFF: #15 Now, all the mistakes we were discussing are expected from a mid starting QB. He made some good plays too, which is also expected. Mid QB is not someone who will lift his team up in most cases. He does need good defense, he does need supporting cast, like a decent protection and weapons, not fumbling a 90 yard drive before end zone every game. This is all that comes with it. The QBs we had before, in spite of also playing plenty of garbage time, were rated #32 for the most part. Even that butt fumble soon to be felon Sanchez with who we managed to win. And of course 3 years with Zach, and even before that with Sam, whom I really like. The point is Fields so far performed as average starter, and this is good enough to make play-offs. This is better than we had in a decade. He is also young, and who knows maybe can even improve like Sam. But even if not, mid is a starting point I don't want to concede. Yes, I want to have a top QB, but we usually have #32 rated QB. If we can get #16, even #20, let's get the other shit together and start winning some games. It can be done. Unfortunately we have Kotite/Gase hybrid so far as a coach, and can't get the other shit right.
