Because thats how football works, you gotta gameplan, for any position. If you got a running back who isnt a good inside runner, what are you gonna do? youre gonna run him outside. If you got slow receivers with excellent hands, youre not gonna go deep, youre gonna design routes that get em open. If you got cornerbacks who arent good in man to man coverage, what are you gonna do, play zone. This is how football works, you play up to your strengths. And for the hundreth time, defenses were stacking against Chad. We didnt have a running game so the defenses game planned to take away our passing game, and yet somehow "weak armed over inept" Chad was still able to move the chains. You think i care if we move down the field in a 10 play 5 minute drive with dinks and dunks or a 45 second 2 play drive using 2 bomb passes? As long as the outcome is points on the board, i could care less
Really....check out this clipping and READ (if you can, the first sentence...) http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20021222_NYJ@NE
Really??? http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20021229_GB@NYJ 17/24......4tds...Yeah, this guy sucks....
I dont think that people are asking him to consistently beat elite defenses. There are maybe two QB's in the entire league that can do that. Also elite D's are exactly that. They do not get beaten consistently or they would not be considered as such. Why don't we stop trying to figure out a way to make Pennington a top flight QB and be happy we have a top 15 QB who is smart enough to play within his skill set.
"Strong Arm" Brett Favre 3885 yds 18 tds 18 ints "Weak Arm" Chad Pennington 3352 yds 17 tds 16 ints thats only a difference of 33 yds a game. Give me a guy who can manage a game and get us into the playoffs over a guy who has a rocket arm and gambles too much.
Here is the 2006 reguoar season categorization of teams by Total Defense. http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2006/regular?sort_col_1=4 Whats Penningtons record this year against teams in the top 10?
You can easily replace a Rb or make a mediocre one better with good blocking. You can mix and match your speed guys at reciever and disguise the routes and plays. At this point in the game everybody knows what is coming with Chad and there is no disguising his weakness. The Qb is the most important person on offense and that is the one that can make or break and offense the most. If Chad could throw the Cb's and LB's on opposing squads could not play on the line of scrimmage when they play us and that would open up passing and blocking lanes. When we get behind against a good defense the game is all but over 90% of the time. Chad can move the chains and get field goals. IF he could stretch the field we would get more points on the board because we could have a more balanced attack. Do you think the teams in the playoffs with the exception of the Bears plan an offensive plan based upon what their Qb can't do? They can exploit any weakness on an opposing defense. We don't have that option and it should be addressed.
Please don't compare Farve to Pennington. We are talking about one of the Greatest of all time and Chad. If we had Farve throwing to Cotchery and coles we might be in Miami in two weeks.
Never the twain shall meet... It is obvious that the two sides of this argument will never agree. The pro-Chad side will never admit Chad's weaknesses and will always hide behind ridiculous spurious claims like "we win with Chad". A team should always look to improve and their is tremendous room for improvement at the QB position. I see a lot of the "Herm" philosophy in the blind allegiance to Chad. We will play Chad the veteran forever. I guarantee you Mangini does not share this sentiment. Good evidence of this are the ridiculous bewildering posts pointing to 2002 games as reasons why Chad should stay at QB. The 2006 Chad is no where near as good as the 2006 Chad. By that logic, we should bring back Jerry Rice and go into next season with Curtis Martin at RB. QB is not a strength for this team and needs to be (I do NOT care that Dilfer won a Super Bowl). Chad is probably a top 15 QB, but how in the world is that GOOD. That is decidedly average and if we want to be a Super Bowl team, we cannot accept average at the most important position on the team.
Well said. I could not agree more. It just amazes me how people will accept Mediocraty from Chad. I guarantee you Mangini does not see Chad as his long term plan and really homes Clemens unseats him as the starting Qb next season. Belicheck has the same Philosophy as Mangini but I bet if Bill was asked if Brady was his guy next year he would not hesitate to say yes.
Brady is a future Hall-of-Famer who would win his job back no matter what Bellichick says, that's just a dumb statement. An even dumber statement is that we are accepting mediocraty with Chad. We want to win, period. That's why we supported Vinny and why we supported Chad. I don't know how old you are, but having a QB who can win and get us to the playoffs is far from a given if you know anything about Jets history. You have to be in the playoffs first to do anything else, so a lot of us are not ready to give up on our QB until you show us who else can get us there. If you have somebody, great. If not, we get tired of the constant bitching. If Chad had ever played a season and not gotten us to the playoffs you might have a point, but that hasn't happened and you don't have a point.
I am old enough to have suffered through the 70 until now. The fact of the matter is a weak schedule got us into the playoffs this year and alot of luck. A great Defense and Curtis Martins Running has gotten us in all the other years with Chad. Chad has had his chance to step up in those playoff games and make a difference and has done so one time against the colts.
So how come when Chad's been hurt we can't even go 8-8? That's why it's hard to take some of you guys seriously. Nobody is putting Chad in Canton and nobody is saying he has Elway's arm, but give some credit where it's due and stop acting like he's Bubby Brister.
I think Chad is a great guy and has played to the best of his ability but with that said his ability is not enough to get us to the superbowl. Do you realistically think he has the ability to get it done next year when we have to go up against Super Bowl Caliber teams. He will loose against the Colts, Chargers, Ravens, Steelers-who will be back to form, Bengals and Patriots once again. As a Realitic Football fan and not a Chad fan can you say he has what it takes to slay any of these dragons come Jan next year?
I think it's too much of a team game to say "Chad can't do this" or "Chad can't do that". We obviously need him in there to even get to the playoffs, from there I'll take my chances. You have to get in first and then you play the game you have to play, I don't see why we can't win with Chad. If we couldn't win with him we wouldn't be getting to the playoffs in the first place. The best teams make the playoffs, that's why it's harder to win there. Having New England in our division these days means we also have to play on the road, so it's even harder. I still don't see how changing QBs for the sake of changing QBs is going to change any of that. Even the great Peyton Manning just broke through this week, if it's all about the QB and his arm, why did it take him so long?
These thread are killing this sites credibility. GET A CLUE. Or go root for the Falcons as they have a strong armed QB.
