Biggest issue with the D-Rob trade was that they examined him/were aware of a knee condition and picked him anyway. I didn't even hate him; the guy was pretty good for a couple of seasons. Though obviously not worth two firsts, but nobody should ever be with a bad knee.
"We are very pleased to be able to come to an agreement with Aaron that keeps him in Green Bay," said Gutekunst. "His play on the field and leadership in our locker room remain vital in our pursuit of another Super Bowl title. The agreement also allows us to maintain and enhance what we feel is already a very competitive roster." How short-sighted was this garbage? Jets = Stupid.
Mooge and AG answer some questions today regarding Rodgers. While they did not give up much, they suggested that they made this and other moves to WIN NOW. AG was specifically asked about Q not liking the move to dump Rodgers, and he said he talked to Q and explained that all the moves they are making is to give better chance to win now. In other words, the reason why Rodgers was let go is because of his performance more than anything else. And I agree, it's only downhill from here for Rodgers unfortunately and the decline could be rapid. I am encouraged though that AG and Mooge think they will do better at QB. I really think they will try to get Fields, who will be an upgrade to Rodgers next season.
Lol meanwhile Rodgers is trying to lobby to be the Rams QB (not that Stafford is even gone yet) and bring Davante with him. Wonder if Lazard and Hackett are also part of the deal. This guy is something
I didn’t see any of the interview, and I like that they are trying to win now, but what is the better alternative at QB? Did they say anything about a plan there? I’m guessing not, and honestly that’s probably for the best, but whatever diminished state Rodgers was in, and will very possibly continue to diminish, we don’t have a better QB on the roster today, and the pickings out there in free agency and the draft are not really all that great either…so I’ll be curious to see which way they go. I get the time to move on makes sense for so many reasons, including declining play, old QB with a brand new coaching staff, AR’s huge personality/ego…I get it. But the sad fact is we don’t have anything better to put out on the field.
You might disagree with me, but when the classic question, what QB can do better than AR for the Jets, in and of itself is very misleading. We must add , in which system. Under the prior regime the whole offense was structured to fit AR style, a style that has been superseded in the NFL for years because is not dynamic enough and more predictable and defensible, and clearly a style that this new leadership does not want to embrace for this young team moving forward. We want a lot more mobility from the QB, a lot more under center plays with heavy running and options, roll outs, TEs play and overall flexibility from a QB that is not a threat with his legs. . We want to move towards a system that maximizes opportunities by the whole offensive players and not just QB centric playing from the shoot gun. Last year with the current offense and CS the results were not good. So in my view sticking once again with the Davonte/Rodgers models might not yield better results in the win/loss column unless you significantly revise the playbook which would be counterproductive to their outputs. Time to start positioning this team with a new system now.
Oh yeah I get it…hard to imagine bringing in a new coaching staff, especially with a first time HC and OC, and then try to figure out how to include an old AR in that system…doesn’t really fit. Can’t expect a 41 year old QB to now at this stage learn a new system, and can’t expect a brand new coaching staff to hold off on implementing their vision just to cater to an old aging QB. So I get the change…that die was cast as soon as you brought in AG as the new HC. If you wanted to keep AR, then the better move would have probably been to go try and get McCarthy to come coach…I don’t know his relationship with AR these days and maybe that wasn’t really a possibility, but they had history together and probably could have made it work. So I get the rationale behind the decision to move on at QB…it was really the only rational way to go once we hired a new GM and HC and OC. However, that doesn’t discount the fact that we have no real answer at QB right now, and while I get that we still have free agency and the draft coming up, and even I guess possibility of a trade, there aren’t a lot of great answers in either of those routes either…its not like we have the first pick in a draft with strong QB prospects, we have the 7th pick in a draft with pretty much mediocre QB prospects from everything I’m reading….doesn’t mean that the consensus is always right, but none of the QB prospects this year are very highly rated. So we can most likely look forward to another year of mediocre QB play and a losing record…hope I’m wrong…
The concept idea that this team is putting themselves into a better "win now" situation by what essentially amounts to downgrading at QB and paying Rodgers to play somewhere else next year is......so a Jets' way to see that. As I've posted in the past here we really need our own circle meme graph like the one that gets posted about the Cowboys every year. With our own "you are here" arrow right now pointing at the part where we make some front office changes, and then pretend there is even a possibility of a franchise saving "culture change" with Woody Johnson (and one day his equally cringe'y kid who is going to outlive us all) as this team's owner. There is no Aaron Glenn coming in here and "setting a new tone". That is all BS spin. The reality here is the next time this franchise has a winning season it is not going to be due to having "better culture" or non-dysfunctional FO. It's going to be because this team finally figures out how to field a offense that can actually score points on the regular. Score points > put yourself in better position to win games > win more games > start writing in your culture and intangible credit narratives around that after-the-fact. The 2025 team possibility that scores more points then the one that keeps Rodgers at QB doesn't exist.
We will see about that. With the great Aaron Rodgers the Jets scored 338 points** last year, good for 24th in the league. I think they can exceed that low bar in 2025. --- **its actually less than that as Tyrod Taylor came in for mop up duty in 2 blowouts. Taylors 3 TDs account for 18 of the 338 points but I'll give it to Rodgers anyway
I'm getting flashbacks to that Denver game at home. Sure, Denver's D ended up being better than everyone expected, but the Jets scored 9 freaking points!? Gag me.
And are you anticipating an asteroid destroying the earth in 2026 or 2027 or is that timeframe something worthy of consideration in setting the path forward?
The problem with that line of direct thinking is we (hopefully) are going to have somebody in the offensive coaching room with an actual clue in 2025. That wasn't the case last year. As such i'd of 100% expected to Rodgers to do better. Just as I was saying before last year even begun when I wanted Hackett fired/gone. If Rodgers goes to LA as a Stafford replacement it's probably going to look a lot different with McVay then it ever did here too imo. That all said...I'd probably still take the under tho?
Again and as I implied....the actual path forward here to any winning season likely doesn't care about the same things you are focusing in on now in relationship to what's actually being "changed' here. I would indeed anticipate the probability of an asteroid destroying the earth happening before this team ever sorts out it's culture issues. At least for pretty much everybody posting here's lifetime. A winning season, when it finally happens, isn't going to look the part people ideally want. Just not in the cards for us.
They said the clichés, like they will explore all options in free agency and in draft. I did find it encouraging when someone asked about Tyrod, they said something like they love he is a part of the team, but cannot say much now as free agency and draft haven't even started yet. Basically the feeling I got they will at least try to improve QB room in a major way. I don't think it will be a mid round QB pick and Tyrod/Travis, but more major. Like I said, they did not reveal much when it comes to that, but it did not seem like they are looking at Tyrod as unquestioned QB1. Now, as far as win now, I do think it was telling that AG told Q the specific move to release Rodgers was to win now. Which to me means they want to improve the position this year. As you noted, pickings are slim. And I have observed the same during the year as we were basically evaluating Rodgers after every game. And overall, I would say he was very inconsistent and immobile. He can still play, no doubt, but he is focusing a lot on not getting hit, quick releases, short passes, and also looking for his friend Adams first and foremost when we have GW as #1 guy and he is often open. Overall, I think he was below average QB. Some stats are really good like total TDs or yards, but when you look at ypa or completion % over expected, he is at the very bottom, even below #32 in the later stat. So, overall below average. His low QBR is actually I think pretty close to what he is now. Even passer rating also below average, and that doesn't factor in rushing ability, which brings him down even more. Now factor the fact he will be a year older. People say he is a year more removed from Achilles and will be better, but I don't see it that way. His recovery was nothing short of remarkable with speed bridge, non pivot foot, and he was practicing and running practice squad and prep for opponents towards the end of 2023. In 2024 he mostly struggled with other injuries not Achilles. So, I don't see him getting better, but I definitely do see further decline, more of injuries, and more impact from these injuries. So a year older Rodgers to me is a bottom 1/3d QB, maybe a bottom 1/4th. The question when it comes to winning now, can we get something better than bottom 1/4-1/3 QB play or similar but younger with potential to improve? AG and Mooge apparently think they can, and while I do not see too many great options in free agency, there are some. Again, Rodgers of 2025 will be worse than Rodgers of 2024, and he was not that great in 2024. If they can get Fields, I think we are both better and younger, so to me it was worth to release him at least try to upgrade and get younger there this year.
In case anyone missed it, we've now reached the "Rodgers is awesome and everyone loved him because he might be on the Giants this year, even though we just spent the last four months convincing everyone in the fanbase that he's hated by everybody" portion of the bitter NY sports media's approach to the 2025 Jets. We're three weeks away from the "You know, if you look closely at his stats, Rodgers was actually pretty good. And his stats last year are almost identical to Patrick Mahomes!" stories. It's okay, though ... because we've got Tyrod Taylor (and Jordan Travis).
It's looks like Stafford and the Rams have reached an agreement as the Giants and Raiders showed the most interest in Stafford. Reports are out there now that the Giants are showing interest in Rodgers with Stafford going back to LA. Aaron Rodgers Rumors: Giants Shifting Focus to QB After Matthew Stafford's Rams Return
