We're not talking about any of that, we're talking about Aaron Rodgers, a subpar quarterback. Would you still choose him over Josh Allen?
Where are you drawing the conclusion that Aaron Rodgers was subpar this season? I think its fair to say he was at least par. His stats were pretty much a wash with players like Matt Stafford, Mahomes, Purdy etc and were objectively dragged down by things like drops and getting plays called in time. Not saying he is his old MVP caliber self but what player would you feel more comfortable handing the reins to next season? I'm not saying there might not be a better option somehow but I am saying I'm not aware of it.
It works both ways. Winning games is about scoring more points than your defense gives up and they didn't do that in most games. Both units need to be better and cleanup the mental errors / penalties. In 2023 the offense was ranked 29th in scoring and 31st in yards. They still improved, despite Rodgers coming off major surgery and struggling in the early / mid part of the season to get chemistry with his receivers. I'm not a Rodgers fan boy, but his stats were basically the same as Patrick Mahomes, which is good enough to make the playoffs if the defense plays up to snuff. Instead, they regressed and the penalties were a big reason for those rankings this year on both sides of the ball. I think the biggest problem was coaching, not personnel but there are a few exceptions like at DT/LB. I don't think anybody was SURE about that, they just thought it may be the once chance to save him, but he didn't even get to sit behind him, he was forced to play that year. Rodgers mentored Jordan Love and he's looking like a franchise QB now. You can be the best mentor in the world, but you cant turn shit into gold and Zach Wilson is/was shit. My point was that there aren't really many options available aside from starting over based on potential and I'm definitely not the only one who mentioned Darnold or Cousins, those are just names that have been floating around, I don't think either is actually realistic. Maybe you're new to how the media operates or how ratings work, but their job is the make the most possible money for the company, not to tell the unbiased truth. The more times people click on an article link, the more ad revenue the company gets. This isn't anything new or controversial in the slightest, this is the nature of capitalism. Profit comes before everything, including facts. If you're really denying that the media has been rage baiting for years in order to make money, I honestly don't know what to tell you. That's pretty much the only thing NY Post does. They are awful. Here's an example. Rodgers being the shadow GM has been brought up by the media constantly, but not a single one of those rumors is based on any type of fact.
Everyone advocating for Rodgers completely glosses over the money factor. Of course he was “par” for a QB. We can either dump that par QB and eat 49m this year, which we can actually afford to do, or we can keep him, pay him the extra $35m and have him on our books for 3 seasons monetarily. I don’t think dragging him into our future is a responsible option for a team that desperately needs to get younger and build through the draft.
Yeah I will readily admit I'm completely ignorant of the financial ramifications and strategy. I'm sure the new Jets brain trust are, will, and have weighed all this stuff out and may even be going over options with Rodgers himself. And it may be fair to say that cutting ties with him makes the most sense going forward. But whats NOT fair to say is that he is subpar. And its also pretty clear to me that retaining not only Rodgers but Davante who I think would kind of come as a package deal give the Jets by far the best chance of being a winning team in 2025 of any other option I'm currently aware of.
The team desperately needs to find out if Glenn can coach rather than give him 4 years like Saleh only to find out he can't coach. The costlier option is not starting Rodgers and giving Glenn multiple free pass years because he has no QB.
My two cents. It’s time to consider options at QB. If the issue was just money, there would be a more reasonable chance for AR. But at this point I have serious doubts that AG wants to move into this year with an offensive approach similar to last year, wherein the game plan was a bit of a joke, mostly changed at the line of scrimmage based on AR looks. The offense was absolutely not optimized to leverage all our weapons strengths, but just AR strengths. Not to mention it was so predictable defenses anticipate the play and the target. Everyone underachieved starting with AR. AR did not make the jump to make this team a winner, he digressed some. So what’s the solution, Taylor can hold the fort but I have serious issues if he can last the season. History is against him. I also think the Jets need to target a QB on the draft at the appropriate round based on talent available, and continue year after year till we find one. AG does not want to start his career as a Jet HC with AR drama and eccentricity. We are moving on. Experiment failed due to poor coaching with no authority.
I saw every game, I saw every pass, I saw every pass that never got thrown. I also saw the plays that never got off in time and I saw the QB complain that receivers didn't catch balls that were thrown to places that made them uncatchable. I also can see every statistic that you can and most of all I can see the record for the year. Those are all the places I use to draw the conclusion that Rodgers was subpar; it doesn't matter to me how many other guys you say were "pretty much a wash" but it's kind of funny that one is still playing this season and you hold him up as some kind of comparison. This is about Rodgers only and what he has done lately but more important why he should be expected to do any better next year. Nobody ever got rich betting on the come.
You're 100% correct - the defense gave up too many points this year. But this is the thread where the discussion is about Aaron Rodgers, not the defense. "Whataboutism" does not serve the discussion at hand it only tends to divert from the topic - Aaron Rodgers. The offense was absolute crap in 2023; it was barely better in 2024. Big whoop. With the QB blaming every incompletion on the intended receiver it would be pretty hard to develop the kind of chemistry you want to see. Attempting to compare stats with a guy on his way to his third consecutive Super Bowl not only avoids the discussion of the guy with his name in the title here, it's ludicrous. I saw them both play, I would expect you have as well which makes it difficult to accept the "not a...fan boy" claim. The game is played on the field - not on a spreadsheet. We know that coaching was a problem (for another thread) but we must also recognize that the coach preferred by Rodgers was part of that and his widely reported tendency to run plays not called may have been as well. Do you think that would happen more or less in the future with a new OC and a totally revamped offense or would the old dog buy into the new tricks? DT/LB are not part of this discussion. As I said, Rodgers is a player - he is not a coach. It is unclear how much Rodgers helped Jordan Love become a good quarterback but it was often reported Rodgers treated Love better than Favre treated Rodgers. Meh. Many here were at least optimistic Rodgers would take ZW "under his wing" but it doesn't seem to have happened, certainly not enough to improve his game. Keeping Rodgers here on the off chance that a young draft pick here might learn something from him cannot be justified in the cap, in cash or in the use of a roster spot. The only option that matters is the one between Rodgers and anyone else - no specific names need be discussed. Of course it's time to start over! It is a new day in Jetsland and there is no reason to chain up an anchor to the past. The sooner the huge loss of cap space incurred in the Rodgers Experiment is minimized the better. Spare me your description about how capitalism works, or even "how the media operates." It's really no different than choosing whether to grab the Daily News or the Daily Mirror when you threw your nickel into the wooden bowl at the news stand getting on the subway - you make a choice based on what's important to you. You are the one who gets to decide if the truth is important or if you'd rather chase sensationalism. If you don't care about the difference that's on you - watch and read whatever you want, get suckered in by whatever bait catches your eye, but be aware that many of us demand better. "Rage baiting" is such a foolish concept, defending it is ludicrous. If you cannot or will not identify the "they" you blame everything on "they" don't exist. If you cannot identify the "hater" he exists only in your mind. You don't need to make excuses for what you see the media as, you need to make excuses for why you accept it that way. "Shadow media" is simply another prime example of what was just discussed in the preceding paragraph - unnamed "media" sources using catchall terms with vague references to nothing whatsoever of substance yet you somehow believe it is worth discussing. It is an example of - nothing - ! The guys who count your "clicks" are winning.
New GM, HC and DC, but no clear hierarchy, and we still have OC open while the Rodgers situation twists in the wind. Man, to be a fly on the wall of these internal OC discussions. They must be so delicate and awkward.
Meanwhile Mike McCarthy is now waiting until 2026. You cant make this up. Last offseason they should have had Harbaugh and now this offseason could have had McCarthy. I wish Glenn the best and hope he succeeds but if he doesn't and we are sitting here in 2028 looking for a new coach it will be mind blowing.
Rodgers was ok this year but he didn’t play winning football. He played Rodgers ball and it got way worse when Adams got here. Time to move on. Embrace the suck at the position for a year, motivate the young players, build the trenches and live to fight another day at QB and/or take one in the mid-rounds and assess.
I think QB may not be great, but not as terrible as we are accustomed to. If we can get Fields (led Stealers to 4-2 record last year), and with Tyrod as a back-up (looked good in limited time last year but injury prone), we have a shot to be a lot better than 2023. Bob was able to win 7 games then with the worst OL, QB, and OC in the NFL. We need to find 3 more games. If coaching is better and GM is not a total garbage we should be able to do it this year.
A former Bears bust. I have no idea what went wrong there I don't follow the Bears I'm just using logic/common sense. He was a high first round pick the Bears gave up on him and if he ends up here he'll be on his third team. The Chicago Bears aren't exactly known for having prolific offenses throughout their history. And the situation here with the Jets IF he's brought in doesn't sound like it'll be a good one for him to resurrect his career. The Steelers are the Steelers just because they can coach him up to a respectable level doesn't mean the Jets will have the same success. Pass. PLEASE.
A year? Jets fans have been embracing suck at the position for much of the Jets history with the exception of Namath and a few years of Vinny, Pennington and Fitzpatrick.
