The Flores talk is funny because everyone was on his jock and whining about how Miami got a good coach when the Jets could not. Now, all of a sudden he's a bad coach? I get that the racism thing was a bad look, but that has nothing to do with his coaching ability.
If you want to be fair, then actually be fair. You just said it yourself. He went 10-6. The Jets would give their left nut for a guy who builds a 10-6 team. Gase was a disaster. No one in their right mind would ever say Adam Gase was better than anyone. Gase couldn't coach to save his life. Flores has proven his coaching ability. You're getting too caught up in all of the off the field stuff. Everyone deserves a second chance especially a guy who has proven talent like Flores.
Flores = proven coaching ability and proven he can build a winning team. Some scarred and battered Jets fans = look at all his off the field, gossip, bs instead of his actual coaching ability. Sad. Get out of your own heads and realize what coaching talent looks like. Flores is a legit HC candidate. No one can deny that he has talent as a HC and his short track record in Miami proves that. Facts.
Let's be fair then. You would give your left nut to have two winning seasons in next 3 years and therefore have our play-off streak at 17 games? Really? Because that is the actual results he got. That is fair. I am not giving a tip of a fingernail for this, not to mention my nut. I want play-offs. And these red flags are real, not because I don't want to give a second chance, but because it will hinder his ability to get better results. I have no confidence he can assemble and maintain staff, especially offensive, get along with GM, with QBs. To me this is an obvious no. But if you would give your nut not to make play-offs with a winning season, I can understand why you are excited by this, and that's fair too I just strongly disagree.
I don't know how you can speak in such certainties about one person but not the rest. NO ONE in this cycle is a homerun. Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, Josh McCown, Joe Brady etc. have no prior head coaching experience. Why do you have confidence that they can assemble and maintain staff, especially offensive, get along with GM, with QBs? How can you speak with certainty that Flores can't do any of those things based off what happened years ago, ignore the years of learning he's supposedly done... but speak with just as much certainty that these other guys CAN based off of... vibes? And I don't even really want Flores! I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy here. And it's not just you, not by any means. It's why I'm mostly checked out of this site until we find a coach. No desire to go back and forth about a ton of hypotheticals. It's like the draft: Player X is can't miss I can't believe you want Player Y instead! Would be nice to not go through this every few years, wouldn't it?
Now you are just being stupid. Of course I want to see my team make the playoffs. Flores gets on the wrong side of the tiebreakers 5 years ago. That doesn’t mean he can’t ever take a team to the playoffs and it doesn’t mean McDaniel, who will probably fired a year from now, is better than him
It actually does, because he’s a guy that completely dismissed facts and common sense and went scorched earth trying to sue people thinking he’s the NFL’s George Floyd. I want a HC that can manage his emotions and not play the victim when things don’t go his way. But all that aside, who’s the guy hiring as his staff? His former coaches don’t like him, his former players don’t like him, by all accounts he’s a raging asshole on top of the fact he can’t control his emotions. I’m still not wven sure how he’s still in the league, and his Defenses don’t really do much to encourage me to like him.
You weren't impressed with his defense completely dismantling the Jets in London? they went 14-3 with Sam Darnold of all people.. clearly that defense led the way. No 1 in the league in most interceptions. He did a fantastic job with their defense the staff question is a fair point and that's what Woody Johnson's consultants are for - to press him on who he's going to have on his staff the George Floyd comment was ridiculously stupid though - clearly you have issues beyond reason with this guy
How dumb are you that you want to make play-offs and then advocate hiring a guy who didn't and burnt all the bridges you can possibly burn? The expected result is even worse than before he burnt all the bridges, and again you need to get it through your skull that he did not make play-offs before, so 10-6 and 9-8 is not a success. You keep ignoring this fact by throwing the 10-6 record, which was not good enough because he lost tie breakers vs key teams. Even Gase made it once there. He failed from results perspective and then burnt all bridges. DC - sure. HC - hard no.
On top of trying to avoid the back and forth on candidates, I also stayed away to avoid fucking morons. What even is this comment? You have issues way deeper-rooted than football.
Flores burnt bridges then ended up on the Steelers staff and then was the DC of a playoff team with a top 5 defense. I don't know why this is ignored. Again I barely even want Flores but there's no way you CAN'T acknowledge this stuff and bypass it for what happened four years ago.
The guy didn’t get a job and decided it was racist. This was during the time of George Floyd and countless other legitimate racial profiling cases across America. Flores tried to jump on the same boat figuring he’d have the support, but his case completely lacked facts.
For Pitt he was an assistant, it's hard to know what exactly he did there. And I am acknowledging it, particularly Minny, where he is a good DC, so I would hire him as a DC in a heart beat. But to ignore his tenure as a HC would be a big mistake. It wasn't that long ago. I have a hard time believing he will be able to assemble good offensive staff, develop a QB, and if he does have a good year, maybe assemble more of offensive staff, after he miserably failed in Miami in that area AND burnt all the bridges. But I do think his defensive coaching skills are good, no argument there.
Don't forget a defensive coordinator who knows nothing about the Jets Achillies heel(developing young quarterbacks), and running a functional offense. I mean if the experiment has already failed 10 times why try it for the 11th? It's like Woody is the dumbest person walking the face of the earth. But than he is fine with mediocrity as long as Aaron Glenn walks to the podium preaches that good Robert Saleh stuff, walks the walk, talks the talk and idiots buy into the hopium next year and line Woody's pockets.
Your most logical thought is to compare Flores to a guy who was murdered by police? I guess they are all just the same to you.
You keep saying burnt all the bridges like it's true. You don't land two jobs with two different organizations, one being one of the most established and respected franchises in NFL history, if you burnt all the bridges. And I share the concerns, but I also can acknowledge that a lot changes. You just keep saying there's no way that's possible.
If Flores burnt all his bridges he wouldn’t be interviewing for at least three teams with more on the way lol.
Being a DC really eliminates most concerns about him. No need to hire offensive staff. No need to work with QBs. No direct line to owner, GM. I understand that he does have defensive staff now, but the problem has been on offense mostly and overall connections, which are much more important for HC than DC. Again, DC I have no problem. It's HC where I am concerned.
No, you’re completely missing my point. I’m not comparing Flores to Floyd. Floyd, and many other cases at that time, were legitimate racial profiling. It was a hot button issue that needed national attention and needed to be addressed because there was and is a racism issue in this country. What I detest is a guy that decided just because something didn’t go his way, it must be racism as well so he decided to try and sue a major institution figuring he’d have support regardless of facts. There was zero racism in Flores case, not even a shred of evidence of it, yet he tried to hop on the bandwagon of all that was national headlines at the time. Being honest, what Flores did only served to hurt people of color.
