What makes you think there is an actual "spokesperson" authorized by Woody? That would make it official, wouldn't we hear it from someone else? Please. I already showed the original article, where same information that is now attributed to "spokesperson" was attributed to a "source". It's just that same anonymous source, who said he will speak for the Jets. So now they call him "spokesperson". I don't believe for a second Woody actually sent someone to talk to them. All is anonymous sources, including "spokesperson." Come on now.
You are extremely naïve. "entire sports journalism". It's one paper - athletic, same people reporting same shit. Find me another source to corroborate. Drop the "Actual facts, fact-laden" bullshit you swallowed. I showed the contradictions. Find me another source to corroborate outside of Athletic. To give an example, Belichick calling the Jets was corroborated by reputable folks, like Rich Cimini. But for instance I think it is wise if say a point about John Simpson's poor Madden rating were to be corroborated by some else, because he was the 1st FA we signed as soon as FA marked window opened. So, seems a bit bullshit that Madden rating mattered much, no? Or is that not "fact-laden"?
There you go with the "spokesperson" again. There is no spokesperson! Only Athletic said there was a spokesperson. No one else heard of this spokesperson. I already showed when the original article posted, they called the same spokesperson "a source". Now that same source decided to speak for the Jets and has been upgraded to "spokesperson".
Here is what I do have. Reported earlier citing Athletic: "One source, who attended the meeting, indicated that it was "said in jest in a provocative nature."" This is from the latest article: "Johnson suggested benching Rodgers due to poor performance — a Jets spokesperson said the owner was “being provocative. He made the statement in jest to see how it would be handled.” Hence I question "the spokesperson". But again, I am not a reporter, I am not making claims I am stating my opinion, just like you are. I just look at the report and point out things that do not make sense and are contradicting. Like the Madden thing, that was actually denied by Costello and Jeudy, plus we actually signed Simpson 1st day. Again you can believe this, but I need to hear from other sources because this smells like bullshit and does not make any sense and report like thus hurts the team.
right yeah we all know you’ve shared your opinion constantly for 2 days the answer to my question was “No,” you have no proof whatsoever to be making such claims that would be fireable offenses against 3 journalists
A lot of times reporters write things in a certain way in order to cover their ass. For better or worse, if there’s the slightest bit of truth to any of this it’s alarming. I do think the Madden stuff is over exaggerated. But also keep in mind - it’s indicative of a massively dysfunctional organization that has unhappy employees if circus-like crap like this leaks to the media. I don’t trust that Russini or anyone at the Athletic has a great enough imagination to make this crap up.
Not sure why you are really trying so hard to defend this hill honestly. I tend to agree with most of your takes and certainly more often in line than not, but on this issue, I’m not sure why you are defending Woody so fiercely. He’s a fucking buffoon. People mutter stuff under their breath, or play shitty comments off like “hey, it was a joke!”, but come on…there is way too much smoke here for there not to be some fire underneath. Firstly, the results speak for themselves…yes, Woody oversaw some winning early on when he was still riding the remnants of what Parcells built, but once all those guys aged out and people moved on, he’s been a full and complete disaster. Let’s see, how many GMs and HCs has he hired? Not sure if he hired Tanny or just let Parcells promote him, but then we went to Idzik to Mac to JD. On the HC front, it started with who? Groh? That was Parcell’s handpicked guy who got out after one year to go coach college…clearly he saw some shit he didn’t like here…he actually had a winning record at 9-7 and still left. Then we did what, Mangini, Rex, Bowles, Gase, and Saleh? Rex had success again with the leftover pieces and whatever was left of the culture Parcells left behind. But again, that faded. Since then it’s been shit… I don’t have to explain that to anyone on this board, that’s for sure. He’s the one constant. He has consistently hired the wrong people, and if any one of them had talent, his meddling or his “leadership” or his culture really wiped it all out. Of all those guys, Bowles is the only one with any success post-Jets, and honestly he’s won shit divisions with 9-7 records…not exactly world beating stuff. So yeah, when we keep hearing these accounts of how the behavior is toxic, stupid, idiotic, whatever you want to say, I tend to believe it. Doesn’t mean every single bit of it is true…for sure reporters have biases and agendas. But man, I personally think there’s more true than not true to all of these things. I think Woody is a spoiled talent-less imbecile who never built anything in his life and was born with the silver spoon. He has proven over almost 20 years that he is incapable of understanding what it takes to run a winning football team. That’s not interpretation or bias. That’s just facts. So yeah, seeing his idiot kid handing out game balls and posting on social media, he’s cut from the same cloth. These guys don’t know jack fucking shit about football, and probably don’t have the class to stay out of the way and not say stupid shit to the players or within earshot or whatever. Not the hill I would choose to defend…just sayin’
If this is true, and I am not saying it is, then Woody is a bigger idiot than i thought. Why in would anyone with a brain allow his teenage son influence his miltimillion investments.... That is the part I am having trouble with. Just another day in Jetland...
You’re conflating two separate incidents, the bench Rodgers and the Mike White sucks comments. How would Jeudy have any knowledge of what Woody said to Joe and what Joe said to the Denver front office??
The spokesperson I've been talking about was responding to the Russini article. This was not one of Russini's sources. It was the Jets spokesperson responsible for responding to the claims made in Russini's article. https://nypost.com/2024/12/19/sport...amed-for-influencing-critical-jets-decisions/ Regarding Madden ratings being used: “It is used as a reference point; it is not determinative,” the spokesperson told The Athletic. They are admitting that they consider Madden ratings when evaluating players! Regarding Mike White: He apologized to White for the remark, a team spokesperson told The Athletic. Again, the team spokesperson didn't even deny that Woody did the Mike White thing!
I hear you. I wasn't even trying to defend Woody, I said many times he is a dumb ass. I just see that this article is BS, I pointed out concrete examples, and these people are trying to hurt the Jets from getting a good GM and I didn't like it. They have been doing it for some time, the Athletic folks. I am just saying that while yes, Woody is a dumb bafoon, these Athletic "reporters" are absolutely awful as well and have been trying to hurt our team for a while. Always after a bombshell clickbait story, and the sources are not great. But yeah, time to start winding down and take your advice...
There is at least an article a week on this subject, by a variety of sources, swinging dirt around the ownership. Two currently by the NY Post about Woody and his fabulous kids in the locker room and the like . There is a lot more than the Athletic that is constantly criticizing Woody lack of leadership skills and meddling style for a variety of reasons, including players and coaches alike. We don’t know how much of it is true but there is just too much to ignore. Yet we want to deny most all of it and blame it on JD leaking bad info or bad media or whatever, and not focus on the sole powerful and common link responsible over the last 20 years of incompetence. We most likely be here a year or two from now aiming to fire the new GM and HC for poor performance regurgitating the same issues.
If Woody truly told Mike White he sucks after playing with broken ribs, he is truly a lowlife piece of crap. I see now unless players are here to collect their last bloated paycheck, players can't wait to get out of dodge.
Again, I don't believe there is anyone authorized by Woody to talk to the Athletic, i.e. a real spokesperson. I know @BrowningNagle I comitted a firable offense (LOL) for posting this "accusation" on the message board, but I just don't believe the Athletic. I think the "spokesperson" is just another source, unauthorized by Woody, i,e. not an actual spokesperson. Why I say this is the following. I saw a report by Rich Cimini last month that has exact same statement as the Athletic report attributed to "one source who attended the meeting". https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...owner-proposed-benching-aaron-rodgers-sept-30 "One source, who attended the meeting, indicated that it was "said in jest in a provocative nature."" From recent athletic report: "a Jets spokesperson said the owner was “being provocative. He made the statement in jest to see how it would be handled.”" It's the same person, a source, which is being referred to as spokesman. Otherwise how do you explain these basically identical statements. Is it a source who was at the meeting or a spokesperson, a PR guy authorized by Woody? It's the same guy we are talking about here, and to me it's quite obvious it is the source, not a spokesperson, since it was referenced as such by Rich, who is actually reputable. So, no I don't believe Jets spokesman denied or confirmed anything in the story, because there was no real spokesman, but like Rich Cimini said, one source, which Athletic said was spokesperson. Anyway, if you guys want to believe most of this, go ahead, but I am not buying anything these assholes are selling unless corroborated by someone else. And this is not to absolve Woody. Like I said Woody, JD, and the Athletic "reporters" are all assholes.
I really hope not and perhaps Woody may have realized his limitations by hiring people smarter than him to aid the GM and coach search. Yes he is a dumbass, he did meddle at the end of JD's tenure. But I want to know the real truth, not some fabricated BS, and I posted specific reasons with examples why I don't believe most of the article, which is aimed to hurt the Jets, and that may yield some good candidates not to want to consider coming. With that said, there is no excuse for the last 14 years of failure and until the Jets turn it around I do expect more of this shit. But I do have some hope now with the opportunity to get new GM and coach.
You have more faith than I do. I know the media has a lot of latitude with their cavalier comments and loose references. Particularly in a large market like NY, where almost anything goes. All it takes is a few minutes in front of any media outlet listening to all the walking talking analysts paid to give personal opinions on other players and trash them to no end with no repercussions. But when a player challenges them via Twitter or whatever the NFL steps in like they are hurting their child and protecting their lucrative media streams. Unfortunately, Woody seems to very often add fuel to an already overbearing and ten times over staffed NFL media community.
Have the Jets released a statement yet denying that Joffrey's PS5 is the mastermind behind the Hasson Reddick trade?
The thought of an NFL team using Madden ratings for anything is so ridiculous no one outside of The Onion would write that if it wasn't real. 3 journalists wrote this. 1 other journalist is denying it. Gee, I wonder which journalist has Woody for his info. Jeudy is gonna deny it because no agent would tell their guy to be honest on that, he doesn't need that while he prepares for a completely different team this week. I'm glad JD is leaking all of this. We should know how completely inept this moron is. I've said for 25 years he's playing a rich man's fantasy football. This proves it. It also proves that any hope of him realizing he doesn't know what he's doing and he might hire a VP is completely gone. He's not changing a thing guys. In fact he's raising a kid to follow in his footsteps for this team. F this team until every bit of Johnson DNA is out of the franchise.
