I don’t know that Woody has realized this. He’s hired consultants in the past, this isn’t the first time. Also, I’m not sure Spielman will be involved to that level anyway, do you know for a fact he will be conducting interviews?
He hired non football consultants. I feel like he did much better now, akin to having an epiphany. I posted a link before where he detailed his role and the answer is yes.
Yeah he did, and I for one HATED that hire as soon as it was announced. Casserly had his success with the 1980s Redskins. 1980s!!! He was already a dinosaur. He got a second gig with the Texans and that didn’t go great either…they had some success with DeShaun Watson in a weak division, but I don’t even know if Casserly was part of that or if he was already gone, as he was on ESPN a lot. And if you watched him on ESPN, his takes were abysmal. Totally stupid and off the mark. It was SUPER clear that Casserly was a horrible choice, at least to me. And what did he do? He hired his lackey from the Texans in Mac, who NO ONE saw as a legitimate GM candidate. No One. God I hated Casserly and his asinine advice. I don’t know how Tanny and Spielman will do in this search, but I do think they are much better connected and situated than Casserly was, or Korn Ferry was. I don’t know if they will do well so we’ll see once we start hearing names, but I don’t hate the move today like I hated the Korn Ferry or Casserly moves
Ok folks. Let’s be honest with ourselves here. This is simply a C.Y.A. (cover your a..) move by Woody. If these guys find the right person, wonderful! Woody gets to bask in the sunlight. If they don’t, Woody has some fall guys for his ineptitude. Never forget, we once had 2 future hall of fame coaches under contract when Woody took the team over and BOTH ran for the hills after they were able to talk to him for a brief while.
So true. Just goes to show how badly Woody Johnson sucks. Things could've been so different. You buy a GOOD football team with 2 future HOF coaches on staff, in the biggest media market. A competent owner has prolonged success even without trying too hard
What have you learned from the past? It appears you have not even learned the difference between hiring a GM and hiring a guy to assist in identifying the best candidates. I have not seen a single post here advocating Mike Tannenbaum return as GM - why are you beating that broken drum? I learned that the owner was not good at picking key personnel even if he utilized a professional headhunter organization or a couple of old time NFL relics. You seem to recognize that but refuse to offer a solution. That means Johnson needs to look farther to find help in identifying the right people to be General Manager and Head Coach. He has hired a company to do that - what are you complaining about - do you have a better idea? You also seem to have learned that Sam Darnold and Geno Smith failed as quarterbacks at the New York Jets - congratulations! But that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand, which is the search for the next GM and HC; take a deep breath and try to stay on topic. Sorry for you that your boy Douglas was canned but everything about his tenure here demanded it - he's gone and a replacement will be hired whether you like it or not. Shouldn't the team do whatever possible to find the best candidates?
Some posters here with the sky is falling routine. Hilarious. Let the process play out. For once, the Jets are actually doing their due diligence the right way and being transparent and deliberate about it. I've never seen this during Woody's tenure. I think several here who keep bitching and offering up no solutions will be positively surprised with the outcome.
Who cares how much it costs him? I've always maintained that Johnson's biggest problem as an owner is that he is distanced from the other owners and leaders of the NFL. I firmly believe he could walk down the street and walk right past at least half of them without recognizing who they were. We never see a picture of him having dinner with another, we don't see them together on the golf course, we don't see them on vacation together. Even when there are league meetings, how often is there a picture of the Jets owner with any other? It just seems very obvious that he has never been part of the old boys group of insiders with their hands on the pulse of the league; you can't get that from the internet. Hiring consultants should be mandatory for a guy who has failed at every attempt to do it himself or with what has proven to be the wrong help. One of these times the blind squirrels will flock from the trees and he'll get it right - hopefully 33rd Team has pockets full of acorns at the ready.
I never said they are hiring Tannenbaum to be the GM. I’m saying Tannenbaum was a bad GM. He was a failed GM. He stunk at his job, hence why WE fired him. We fired this man for not doing a good job with the Jets and now we’re asking him to help us find someone to do a job he was awful at. How does that not get through your head? How is that acceptable to you? How is Douglas my boy? I wanted him fired last year along with Saleh. Actually if you go back in my posts you’ll see I wanted him fired before he signed Rodgers. You seem to have me confused with someone else. I want everyone from top to bottom fired. I just don’t want a moron who’s resume clearly shows that he has no clue how to be a good GM being the one to tell us what a good GM consists of. He has no fucking clue what a good GM looked like if it smacked him in the face. Here’s a little more perspective- Charley Casserly had a worlds better resume as GM than Tannenbaum and people are lamenting how awful that was. We just hired the Temu version of Casserly and you’re gonna sit there acting like that’s a good thing? Gtfo
Idk I dont need to see Woody buddied up with Jerry Jones and Bob Kraft or wacky Jim Irsay. I'm not sure that helps him be a better owner anyway. I think he's just a weak man, a follower and not a leader. I've said it before I doubt these consultants are really there to consult for him, he's got someone in mind and using them to add some credibility. I'm not sure why he cares about that, its your team hire whoever you want
Why do you keep changing your tune? Why do you make things up? You wrote "a front page arguing the merits of bringing back Mike Tannenbaum." I see no one advocating that - what use is such false a strawman argument? What brilliant resume did you see for Casserly? His lifetime record as GM is one of failure. You need to go back over thirty years to find two years in a row he had a winning record. The last time he had a winning record at all was 25 years ago - long before he named Mike MacCagnan as his choice for Jets GM. If you're trying to make him look better than Tannenbaum you have failed miserably. Again. "Perspective!" Instead of making things up, why not tell us how you expect the organization to hire the key people they need if you don't want the owner to do it alone and you don't want him to hire consultants to help? Do you realize that of the fifteen general managers in the history of this franchise only three have winning records and Tannenbaum was one of them? Again, no one is talking about making him GM, the only thing his firm was hired to do was search for the right candidates, as they have done recently in Washington for example. Your claim that one of the people involved in that firm has "no fucking clue what a good GM looked like falls on deaf ears because you know less about that than the guy you're complaining about. How do you want the Jets to hire a General Manager and Head Coach?
If Woody Johnson had a business or social relationship with any of the owners, he'd have a better idea of who NOT to hire than his experience shows. If he had the number of Steve Ross in his phone he never would have hired Adam Gase, for example. You can't learn from the leaders if you don't know them. If Johnson was simply a follower who kept the leaders within sight he, and the Jets, would be in a much better place. I continue to doubt very strongly that he has any idea of who might be considered a good candidate because he doesn't know who any of them are.
Why would Steven Ross, owner of the rival Dolphins, give Woody any advice on who to hire? I don’t even really have a stance but that’s silly.
How about on who NOT to hire? In every business there is a certain amount of information sharing, or "honor among thieves" if you will. Even the mafia shared information and made deals among families while killing each other at the same time. Do you think an owner who played golf or traveled, or had dinner with another owner would set a trap for them? We're not talking draft strategy or game planning here, we're talking about warning people we know away from dangerous situations.
I don’t think Steven Ross is urging the Jets to not hire a trash coach lol. What? You get so deep down your own dumb arguments sometimes it’s wild. And also, you’re mister show me the proof guy. Show me the proof on any of this. For a guy who argues against people who share their own speculation based on information they’ve read, I’d like to see your proof Bob Kraft called the Falcons and told them not to hire Belichick.
he does have a relationship with Ross. They are both big Trump donors. Very likely at social events together
Dumb arguments? You think so highly of yourself that you can't keep yourself from not including a little personal slap for those whose opinion differs from yours, regardless of how unimportant it is to find agreement. It's too bad that you can't recognize language such as "I continue to doubt very strongly..." as anything but speculation. But you do you. Why would I care one iota about what conversations Kraft may or may not have had with anyone at the Falcons?
You may be closer to that circle than I am - I have never seen a picture or word of them being together. I do know that Ross is still an avid golfer and Johnson is not in his foursome.
