You know what I really do not understand from so called NYJ fans that even if CP had a rocket but there was better then CP out there & you pass like Miami did with Culpepper over Brees. The way to build a CHAMPIONSHIP team is never stay with the status quo but always look to UPGRADE no matter who the player is. That was one of Herm most strongest weakness & why we are what we are at this moment
No it's not. We don't create turnovers on defense, we don't sack the QB well, we can't reliably stop the run, about the only thing we do well on defense is not take penalties - and that's a discipline and training category not a talent one. On offense we don't run particularly well, our downfield passing game is terrible, we score fewer points than we should given our time of possession and we don't do all that well late in tight games. About the only places that the Jets were above average last season were in our special teams (and we clearly have one of the best ST coaches in football) and our ability to beat up down-trodden teams. I didn't agree with the commentators last year who were saying Mangini was doing a great job because the Jet's talent was lacking, but as I have gotten away from the season I see more and more what they were talking about. 10-6 with only one or two star caliber performances is really quite an amazing feat. And if you think our talent was great then please go ahead and name the players the Jets had last season that were clearly in the top 10 at their position during the season. I come up with two: Kerry Rhodes and Nick Mangold.
I have no idea I am just reporting what a so called "expert" said. Also he had to watch some tape of us since 2 of our games last season were on Fox correct? Also he may also have reviewed the tapes of the NFC team we played the week before for the broaadcast that coming week right also?
I think the biggest factor in that is having New England in our division. If you don't win your division the best you can do is a Wild Card. We've been able to do it once with Pennington, albeit at 9-7, but that's the difference. Unless we find a way to get past them as a team we're going to be at the Wild Card level for as long as they have Bellichick and Brady, no matter who our QB is and how hard he throws. Any other division I think we could get to that #1 or #2 seed with who we have.
To win a SB you either have to have a really complete team or be playing in a down year of elite teams and be healthy and a little lucky. The Pats have had great teams, talent all over the field a great QB and Great coaching. Chances are pretty good that if the Jets are ever going to win a SB they are going to need the exact same things. It just so happens they are in our division but does any one really believe we are close to as good as the Colts, The Chargers or Baltimore? We aren't we are in rebuild and there are many areas of our team that need to be improved if we are to become an elite team and really challenge. There is a good chance we have a down year next year. Until we see what we do this offseason nobody knows for sure but based on schedule and the likelyhood that we aren't as lucky with injuries, we may very well take a step back. This team should be pretty much ready to go in 08 and 09. If Clemens is indeed the guy he probably will get some real snaps next year. Chad is going to be a cap liability in 08 and unless he makes serious strides with his arm after this offseason, I don't think they are going to want to pay him elite QB money, especially if Clemens is the real deal. Don't believe that Mangini doesn't know that it's going to take a monumental effort to win a champoinship and a great QB is going to be needed to make that effort. The Bills aren't going away either.
Yes if I was CP I would spend my off season in the gym strenghting that throwing arm so he can threw darts 45-50 yards & not lollipops like the one that was INT in NE instead of fishing off Sarasota. Will C soon what his true committment is now to the NYJs Also I cannot understand why so many on this board seem NEVER to have heard the word UPGRADE. It is shocking to me that so many do not want to improve the team cause they fell in love with player A or player B or player C instead of thinking of winning a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
In order to get past New England the Jets have to be able to beat New England consistently. Right now the Jets talent is just not that close to New England. The Patriots win 11 to 14 games on a consistent basis despite playing 2 first place teams each year that we do not have to face. The Jets in the Chad era are a 9 or 10 win team when they are good. You can either change the rest of the team to improve the Jets chances, and hope that Chad is still around to QB that rebuilt squad or you can change the QB and hope that we come up with a game changing playmaker. Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Joe Montana, Steve McNair (twice now) those are some of the answers an NFL team trying to get over the hump came up with when the QB they had had for 4 or 5 years just could not get them where they wanted to go. I left the obvious rebuilds, like Troy Aikman, off the list because they don't really apply to the Jets situation.
It's a year to year league anymore, why are you worried about Chad's 08 cap hit? Look at New Orleans, they just went from 3-13 to the Championship game in one year, we went from the playoffs to 4-12 back to the playoffs in consecutive years. Each year you have to look at your team and try to put the best guys out there that you can afford and keep healthy. That includes QB and every other position, you upgrade what you can. But you guys act like bringing in a new QB is going to magically make us a better team and be the last piece of the puzzle to get us over the hump. It doesn't work that way, not when the hump is New England.
That list is so all over the place I have no idea what your point is. Regarding the Jets being a 9 or 10 win team with a healthy Chad, we were also a 9 or 10 win team the last two years Vinny played, that's just what we were and are. Except for 1998 and the couple years Chad was down, that's what we've been for a decade now. There are a lot of reasons for that besides the QB. Once again, just dumping Chad because you don't like him isn't going to suddenly make us a 12-win team. Offer a solution instead of just saying Chad can't do it. You have to tell me who can then.
I totally agree with you. Chad is only one of many problems that need to be addressed if we are to take the next step.
I don't know that he's really a problem. It's not like we can't win with him, there's other things we could fix first. I am looking forward to see what these guys can do with another off season now. I think they are smart enough to put a QB on the field who gives us a chance to win each game, whether it's Chad, Clemens, whoever. But if you think they're going to change QBs this year and that's the answer, a lot of you may be disappointed.
I loved our chances this year of winning 9 to 10 games with a healthy Chad. I have no illusions about next year with or without him. A lot depends on schedule, health our offseason and our opponents off season.
they'll know by Pre-season's end whether or not Chad's arm is enough. by then, he'll have had time to recover from the surgeries, rest, strengthen his arm and whatever else -- all the excuses for Chad will be gone. if he still can't get it done, and Clemens shows solid comprehension of the Offense, i think Chad will be benched for Kellen. cheers
They got lucky with a 6th round WR pick & more lucky that Houston went for MW instead of the Reg allowing Reg to drop out of the sky into there laps. Cmon now if they would have had to draft MW do you really.truly think they would have taken that great leap forward? They also signed DB as a UFA for mucho dollars while we did not even give him a look see not even a telephone call. Correct? Now CP & DB would be worth the competition since they are more equal that Bolly & Ramsey together
You were just saying yesterday that teams don't get "lucky" with personnel, rather it comes from great drafting by smart organizations. Which is what they did with Colston. As for Brees, did you want two guys with shoulder surgeries coming into camp "battling it out" for the starting position? Miami who was desparate for a QB didn't pass Brees on his physical. Furthermore, there a thing called the salary cap. The Saints gambled on Brees, if he doesn't comeback strong they would have a signficant amount of virtually dead cap space. I know you need to gamble to win, but I doubt you would find many Jet fans supporting the signing of Brees at that time if it had happened.
You can take issue with how New Orleans did it, but the fact remains that they went from 3-13 to where they are now in one year. We went from 1-15 to the same spot in two years, so my point is worrying now about who is on our cap for 2008 serves no purpose. Every year it's a different set of circumstances. Regarding Brees, he was coming off the same injury that Pennington was, so bringing in another injured question mark at QB is not the direction they wanted to go. Hard to argue with that. Considering both teams went to the playoffs and the QBs I believe were 1-2 in CPOY, I'd say it worked out for everyone.
Look we took the same chance with CP that the aints took with DB who I think has a way stronger arm then CP has & thus becomes harder to defense. If BF were ever to hit the open market I would say sign him for a year so that KC marinates more & then go forward in 08 with a way stronger team then with CP. Look you have your opinion of CP but I do not think you are looking at all aspects of it. If say you then we will agree to disagree when it comes to CP
Again, the Jets would have had to cut Pennington killing a lot of cap space. At the time, Pennington with a re-worked contract and with the Jets have extensive knowledge of his injuries and control over his rehab was a better gamble than an unknown in Brees costing signficantly more and leading to Pennington most likely being cut. You also can not underestimate the worth of Pennington as a leader on the team and the need for Mangini to have a guy like Penninton in his corner. Also, why would Brees ever want to sign with the Jets going into last offseason? The Jets had a very below average O-line, one good WR, no TE, no RB (or at best one coming offseason ending surgery at 30-whatever years old) and a brand new defensive coach.
No we didn't, because we already had Chad on our cap with a huge number whether he stayed or not, so we had to deal with him one way or the other. New Orleans chose to take a shot on Brees, knowing already he had the injury. We didn't have that luxury since we already had Chad, we risked having two QBs using up dead cap space. Fine. And if Tom Brady hits the open market let's scoop him up too. Let's be realistic, champ. What aspect am I not looking at? Because I don't blame every loss on him? Your last sentence I have no idea what you're trying to say there, sorry.
