which is fair but they also went 6-10 the year after due to injuries. when we suffer a ton of injuries and go 6-10 fans want to clean house without understanding that no team no matter how good can withstand it really. the 1 closest exception is probably the eagles with nick foles but even then it was only wentz that went down, not their whole line as well. and foles had a crazy good run well above anything he ever did career wise and it was 11 games into the season not 4 snaps.
I can understand wanting to fire Douglas. I've said it myself in the heat of the moment. And maybe it's the best answer...cut the losses now and get someone who's definitely better. But there's two big problems with that: 1. Who is this "superior" GM, and why would he even consider coming to the Jets given their history? 2. If they did find this miracle worker, it would almost certainly mean another tear down to the studs rebuild. I'm not in favor of going through another one of those, and more personally, IDK if I'll live to see the results. I think the best course of action right now is to replace Saleh with a proven, winning HC. Someone who has experience and won't be in over their head as a HC. Let him bring in his own proven, winning OC and staff. That's the best way to make lemonade out of these lemons.
You folks bring up great points. To summarize :JD is a mid level GM, has not achieved acceptable results with the Jets, and really by merit should be replaced, but because Woody has a hard time hiring even mid level guys, maybe we should keep him, since chance are he could hire someone worse and have another teardown. It's very hard to argue against this line of thinking. The only thing I would say is that if we do hire someone else, there won't be a roster teardown. Smart GM wouldn't do that when he can improve the line, add a good WR and we could be SB contenders next year. Only teardown would be coaching, which it should be anyway. It's just that some of the mistakes JD made this year are just brutal and borderline incompetent. You only have a few year window with Rodgers, and you don't go scorched earth to improve the line to protect the guy, to maximize the contending window? Giving up a pick swap seems minor, but this was a fundamental fuck up, which a good GM just doesn't make. He folded with 3 days still to go. Even the protection on the 2024 pick seemed weak. We should not have to give up a second rounder if Rodgers didn't play all year, it should have been 3d. Then the second round pick in 2022 - he gave them the one we got for Moore, which was one better than our own. I know it may seem like nitpicking, but this is not the same JD who screwed Seattle out of the two 1st round picks. Then didn't go after Ezra Cleveland when our line was decimated. I don't know, if he realized his mistakes. I hope you guys are right and if he stays he will recapture some of that old magic he had. I am just not sure to be honest. If we lose out or end up winning 5 games because of his fuckups (including hiring coaching staff, which is on him too) - just seems like it's almost not fair to keep him.
Just wild to watch Geno and Dak. Compared to how bad Boyle and Zach are, it’s crazy. They are throwing with ease with good WR and OL behind them. Wilson will go down in the Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell category.
I stand corrected. Tanny is higher level. Btw, look at Tanny's take on what the fair Rodgers deal should be. "Tannenbaum, who negotiated the Favre deal for the Jets, said fair compensation for Rodgers would be a 2023 second-round pick and a 2024 conditional second- or third-round choice." JD gave up 2023 second rounder, which Tanny also suggested (not even ours but better one from Browns), also he gave up 2023 second rounder with a weak condition, which was within Tanny's parameters, but the worst one - I think he could have negotiated the 3d in case Rodgers plays less than certain %. So, he already gave up the most that Tanny would have given up, but on top of that made a 1st round pick swap, which cost a top LT if he were smart enough to even prioritize OT. And that ultimately cost Rodgers and the season. There is a very strong argument to get rid of him, baring a miracle turnaround.
There definitely is enough history to warrant a change…at the end of the day, the record is what it is…and it’s not good. The state of the OL is shit and that’s pretty inexcusable after 5 years (or 4 offseasons if we want to get technical). Still…this team, if AR does play next year, is not far off…we need 2 starting caliber OTs and a WR2, and then I’d say some IOL depth and S depth. That is not impossible to do in one offseason. So sure, there is enough to say fire him, but the fact that we are not THAT far off, combined with my impression that Woody would most likely fuck up the next hire anyway, has me leaning towards keeping him. But I could see the argument for firing as well and wouldn’t be shocked to see that happen either…especially if we lose out in awful fashion the rest of the way.
No fans were calling for Joe D to be fired to start the 2022 season. Thats after a 2-14 season, and a 4-13 season. To say fans are just calling to clean house and are not being patient enough that is unfair. This is (5) bad seasons and if you want to say 4 since Joe D wasn't involved till post draft 2019 thats fine. You've blamed Gase for the 2020 draft, but how doesn't Joe D take any share of responsibility as the GM? It can't all be on Gase because Joe D was drafting players for his scheme. Lets not forget the Saleh hire, and ZW. Yes injuries I know, but enough of the fans are being impatient. The fans want results- which we haven't had.
not sure, have to run it by Aaron Rodgers first actually maybe he could be the first official “player-head coach”
IDK it seems most people here never managed a business or department before. at the end of the day, an NFL team is a business. You can hire a bunch of great employees but if they get hurt or sick all the time it's not your fault you are understaffed and stuck hiring temps that aren't as good. does that make more sense?
I would go so far to say we need a WR2 even before the OT. We got nothing behind Garrett Wilson but scrubs and undrafted free agents. Can you imagine if Garrett Wilson got hurt next year and was out for the season? Douglas foolishly gave Lazard $44M (with $22M guaranteed) so he is not going anywhere, but he stinks. I hope the jets trade down from their likely top 5 pick into the teens and pick up a round 2 pick. I think the Cowboys got Lamb somewhere in the teens in round 1. Anyway, get a stud WR to take the pressure off Wilson and go OL rounds 2 and 3. And get a developmental QB in rounds 4 or 5. And skip on the edge rusher.
and you have? most people who manage a business or department are looking for results. 24-53 are poor results
I think this season has shown that this team is quite far off, actually. 4-7 with 4 losses of two touchdowns or more (and counting). Rodgers doesn't fix that
