duane whiffed on the cut block, but the ball should have been out. it's a timing play. the ball should be out right as brown is making the block. rodgers made the same mistake earlier when becton whiffed on a cut block. hackett was calling plays to get the ball out quick and rodgers was holding it looking for something bigger and he really shouldn't have
This theme about AR injury cause you are bringing up opens another can of worms obviously, but watching Brady his last few years--when they had their hands on him he just went down. AR struggled to get out of that sack--at 39/40 you just have to fall down. IMO
Now Rodgers sucks at QB too? No - he knows exactly how much time he has based on the cut block. If the block were actually executed, he would have had time to hit Uzomah just a tick later for a bigger gain. Unfortunately (and this is a huge understatement) for all of us it wasn't at all executed and instead Duane fell like an absolute doofus without so much as slowing the Edge down.
yeah he should have. he tried to spin out of it. brady was a master at not taking hits and getting the ball out fast
doesn't mean he sucks. just means he's capable of making mistakes too. thats a big leap you are taking there
Joe D needs another year- since he inherited the worst roster in professional sports. In the NFL it takes *at least* 5 years to build a roster. Right? All these great GM moves, and the same losing results. What can the team use right now in a win now season? A productive 1st round pick, but instead we get an inactive Will Mcdonald Unfortunately, I don't think Woody will fire Douglas & Saleh.
Still, I watched this play about 100 times (in tears). There was no block. If there were, there is enough time for a larger gain to Uzomah. Time Rodgers should have had. Rodgers didn't make a mistake. Duane did.
we all know duane whiffed, but the ball should have been out. You can blame hackett for the play call, you can blame duane for the whiff, you can blame rodgers for not getting rid of the ball. the issue with fans is they all look for 1 scapegoat and when that scapegoat is gone they'll find another. sometimes it's more complex then that though (actually pretty much all the time)
Yes, Duane whiffing we all agree on, no question about it. Blaming Rodgers having to get rid of the ball earlier we disagree. He had Uzomah he was about to hit for a larger gain. That was still within the time he should have had, had the cut block been executed. He wasn't suppose to get rid of the ball so fast as if he is unblocked completely as during the blitz as you are suggesting. He was supposed to get rid of the ball considering the block was in place. And he was about to do that for a good gain to Uzomah, except the block part didn't happen. Duane whiffed, that's all there is to it really. Blaming Rodgers for treating a block as if it were a cover 0 blitz doesn't make sense. Duane fucked up, that's the start and the end of it.
I mean how many people blame zach for holding onto to the ball past where the play is designed but we can't blame rodgers? had that been zach would you really give him a pass on it? you have to forget the name and be consistant.
I am not the one to blame Zach for everything and have given him plenty of rope. Even yesterday, I don't think he was any more terrible than others, and not all is on him. If we make QB change just to see if Simian can give a spark, I am OK with that too, but personally not convinced there will be a better outcome. Maybe if we had Wentz. But regardless, Rodgers didn't hold onto the ball past the play design. There were two options that were available within the design, but OT got beat like a drum with poor block, so it was basically like a blitz situation, which was not part of the said design. And I was consistent that OLine in general and Duane in particular didn't do neither Rodgers nor Zach any favors.
The QB job is to get the ball in the end zone. 36 drives w/o a TD is atrocious by any standard. As presently constituted - players, OC and CS - this part of the team is dysfunctional and that is putting it mildly. To say they are historically bad is not hyperbole, its a fact. To say they are inept is being kind...IMHO, they are incomptent (QB & OC). I posted this before, as long as they stay with ZW they will lose...and at some point, the locker room will explode... Frankly, I am surprised it hasn't happened yet.
and if we bench zach it doesn't bother me either. I'm just saying it's highly likely the offense gets worse. even looking at the raiders game we improved a lot over the past couple of weeks. we picked up 1st downs. sustained drives. were almost 50% on 3rd down conversions. our offense was better then theirs. and we did it without a run game to speak of. what killed us was penalties. Even with that the offense still wasn't good enough to be a playoff team but keeping the offense together to build continuity will only help. If we want to make changes it should really be getting young players experience. let ruckert play more over uzo and let izzy play over cook. give WMD more snaps too. focus on players who can help more next year. the issue is that will be seen as giving up. the players want to win. 4-5 isn't a death sentence. those players on the team now don't want to pack it in. as far as rodgers go, any play that has a chip block in it, by design is a quick throw to that side. the chip block is to stop the DE from getting their hands up as the ball is designed to go right past them. maybe brown ran the wrong block or maybe rodgers seen something because we weren't in sync. looking at cook out of the backfield turn around for the ball right away shows it was a quick flat to the RB by design. rodgers wanted more. he also could have ate the sack. he seen it coming but he tried to spin out of it. i'm not going to fault the guy for trying to make a play. he's obviously done it plenty of times in his career. but if he just took the small gain he may still be on the field, if he just ate the sack he may be on the field. so because of that he does have to shoulder some of it.
Continuity is important, but I think you are overrating it a bit. Our best Oline performance was in game 3, where 3 out of 5 players played new positions. That's because good players is what's most important by far. Duane is not a good player. Hence when he thankfully left replaced by a decent player line got a lot better, in spite of complete lack of continuity and 3 players moving. Lazard will not learn not to drop the ball because of continuity. We will need better players to do better. Which is why I was quite mad JD didn't spend later round picks for improvements that could have been made, particularly on OLine. I do agree I want to see young guys given a chance to develop, like Izzy and Ruckert. I also don't see anything wrong with benching Zach and bringing him back later if Simien sucks as bad or worse. I just have such little faith in Simien that I doubt he will do any better, but we can certainly try it, cannot be much worse. JD could have gotten Wentz, who I though has a chance to do better, but he went super conservative again, so we are in a tough spot. On Rodgers, like I said I watched the play many times. Rodgers is looking is Uzomah, he is not looking at the RB. Uzomah breaks free after there is pressure, and Arod does not have time to throw or move to second read, GW, who got open. The reason he does not have time is because the block by Duane wasn't executed. He should have had the time he needs, but Duane fucked up, and that's all she wrote.
it's a combination of both. brown was unexpectedly bad (although it seems he was still playing hurt and could be the reason for it) so him being out and tippman coming in gave us the "best 5" we had which was becton, tomlinson, CMG, tippman, and AVT. the issue now though is CMG is gone, AVT is gone, tipp missed 1.5 games, the prime backup schweitzer is gone. we are digging deep into the depth. newman has played well all things considered and mitchell has been pretty good as a pass blocker but lacks the strength in the run game. we are down a lot of talent on the line. AVT is huge and CMG is better then people give him credit for. it's killed the run game. lazard has just been bad. nobody is arguing that. CD retiring really hurt the WR room. it sucks becuase if he retired earlier it's possible we drafted a WR in the 1st instead of WMD or tried to add a better one then hardman in the offseason. we don't have a reliable WR2. the past 2 years we mvoed the chains with MLFs creativity and reliable 3rd down guys like CD and berrios and that gone and not replaced. we need that guy who moves the chains. for rodgers I know where he was looking but that wasn't the design. he seen something pre-snap and went off script. brown and cooks actions show that the ball was supposed to be swung to cook right away. to rodgers credit it was covered well and liekly not much of a gain but still. rodgers seen the pressure as well. he thought he could spin out of it. had rodgers ate the sack or threw it away he wouldn't have gotten hurt regardless of what other players did. he had the chance to protect himself and instead wanted to hero ball a big play.
I thought I was just being patient, but I think I may just be numb. The fact that douglas did nothing at the deadline to change this teams fortune is disheartening. We still have a shot at the playoffs but we will trip our way there if we do make it. What is Zach, Breece, or Saleh supposed to do when the OLine is this banged up?
I know. it's obvious to almost everyone. rodgers went rogue and got hurt. shit happens and it's typical jets luck.
It was purely bad inevitable luck. Rodgers was going to tear his Achilles eventually. Brown to blame is a poor excuse. Not saying Brown was healthy and ready to play - but the idea he missed SO BADLY on the chop block when the ball should have been dirted. Brady would dirt those type of plays all the time.
Brown is to blame for the sack, there is no doubt about that. But I am not blaming him for actual injury. He just sucks and shouldn't have been brought back. Not his fault. I am sure he tried his best, but he is no longer good enough, like he wasn't last year, but now a year older. It was a combination of JD not being able to build a good OLine again and Jets luck.
