Studs and Duds - Jets vs. Giants

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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Meh. Corey Davis was a jag too. 58 yards receiving/game over a 17 game season gets you to a thousand. Neither of these guys have ever done it.

    Granted, we definitely could’ve used Davis this year but that’s the sad state of our receiver room after GW.
     
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  2. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't attributing fault to either player... it was almost expected considering the circumstance.
     
  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Lazard is like another gadget player, a receiver that blocks, runs routes and catches the ball like a fullback.

    Honestly though I'd prefer Lazard on third down far more than that bullshit with Conklin. That dude should have been benched after that game.
     
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  4. westiedog1

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    I tried watching a few snaps to see how well he blocked, but it's so hard to judge. He seemed to block his assignment okay but then Wilson runs out of the pocket. When that happens the whole Giant defense follows him and the next thing Newman sees are the backs of all the defenders. He can't block from behind and he can't hold, so the only thing he can do is stand there and enjoy the show. And it's not just Newman. Once a QB leaves the pocket there's very little an O-lineman can do without risking a penalty.
     
  5. Jets69

    Jets69 Well-Known Member

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    He was brutal yesterday, outside of his final catch, the Davis retirement, kind of fucked up the dynamic of the WR group, I don't think anyone saw that coming .
     
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  6. Footballgod214

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    Corey was our WR1 until Garrett came along. May be why Corey retired...if he can't be WR1, he's outa here.

    Corey had that 50 yarder falling back into the enzone for the win...Zach's first long ball (Tennessee game I think, where Zach rolled right, pointed to CD, who turned it upfield). Can't remember too many more catches, but he was SUPPOSED to be our WR2. Something Lazard was never supposed to be, but here we are.
     
  7. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Joe Douglas gave Corey Davis 12.5 million per year
     
  8. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    The receiving room is not as bad as the slack it is getting.

    It has a stud and a possession guy. It just needs a speedster who can take the top off the defense. Put him outside on go routes to take a safety with him
     
  9. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    I heard later that before the throw to Lazard he asked Wilson what the cadence was if they had to clock it. Something that should have been predetermined or called out but the replacement's replacement was the guy to nail it down.
     
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  10. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    He had plenty of chances to do that.
     
  11. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    lol you put this up before the game was over in a game we cameback and won huh?

    Studs

    Zach Wilson - yeah some here are going to bitch about it, and during the game I thought he wasn't a stud but on 2nd watch he played really well in a shit situation. He had pressure in his face all game. he had a 4th string OC and 3rd string RG both of which just called up from the PS. The weather conditions sucked. and comparatively the giants had negative passing yards. he also ripped off 2 good throws with almost no time left to tie the game up and got the team to the line to clock the ball with 1 second left. then threw the "joe flacco special" to get in FG range. The numbers weren't pretty but he got the job done in a gritty performance

    Breece - didn't do anything on the ground but did score the only offensive TD taking a screen pass for 50 yards

    Morestead - probably the MVP of the game for us. Downed 3 punts inside the 5 without even needing the gunner to interfere to save it. punted for over 500 yards

    Greg the leg - money as usual. perfect on the day

    Pass Defense - giants had negative passing yards. their leading WR was 1 catch for 4 yards. don't really need to say more then that

    coaching staff - might be ugly at times, and it sure isn't perfect, but this team doesn't quit. people will shit on hackett but he had some great calls on 3rd downs that we whiffed on with drops and 1 bad throw from zach

    WMD - an honorary stud for his play on the giants final FG attempt. he jumped the line and was right in the way to block it. if the kicker didn't shank it so bad, he likely would have blocked anything that was on target


    Duds

    Stupid penalties - clemens jumped offsides on a 4th and 5 late in the game giving them a 1st down. becton and quincy both had 15 yard dead ball penalties to extend drives out, and JJ had a RTP penalty inside the 5 which gave them more downs to get their only TD. all 4 were unnecessary

    o-line - had a rough day. the injuries obviously caused some of it using 2 PS players at OC and RG. becton was abused by thibs all day. overall it was an awful performance as a unit

    fans who bitch too much - this team hasn't lost a game in a month yet people act like we are 0-7. people need to calm down. we are in the thick of a playoff hunt despite massive injuries to the o-line, our WR2 retiring right before the season out of nowhere, and losing our HOF QB.
     
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  12. IDFjet

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    Geez dude--no one is unhappy about where we are in the standings so thats a bs straw man argument which, usually, is below you lol.

    I'm going to go against the TGG public wisdom and say that ZW was not a stud--JHC what is with you--watch real players evaluate his play like Bart and Colon--holy shit dude you should be embarassed--lol
     
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  13. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    lazard is/was never much of a seperation guy. he's a tough catch in traffic, big blocking WR type of guy. another corey davis. he needs a QB who will take chances on him winning balls and even then he's just decent. He's an average WR2 I don't think anyone was thinking he was anything great. his skill set doesn't fit our "safe" offense with zach at the helm
     
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  14. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    for the circumstances he did do well. I mean he still got abused by dexy and whiffed a snapped but he was on the PS until a couple days before the game and wasn't expecting to play. he also had the smarts to check with zach on the cadence for the snap and spot the ball and ask the ref where to spot it, get it from lazard and get it spotted. the execution on the spike was excellent coaching
     
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  15. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    you may not be, but trust me some are. I still see plenty of fire saleh and fire JD people around the internet
     
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  16. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    he was WR 2 in tenn after they drafted aj brown and was fine with it. nobody really knows why he retired but I'ts highly doubtful it was his role here
     
  17. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    which is average WR2 money in the NFL. elite Wrs get 25-30mil a year, WR1s get 17-25, WR2s get 10-16, WR3s get 6-10mil, WR 4s are under 6 mil
     
  18. cval

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    Then ex QBs like Orlovsky and Jeremiah have much different takes.
     
  19. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    he's not an average WR2
     
  20. IDFjet

    IDFjet Well-Known Member

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    I get what you're saying but really, I dont think its mutually exclusive--one can still be happy at being 4-3 and want them fired thinking someone else may have prepared the team better for winning. I agree given NYJ history its a long shot that we could do better.
     

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