You can compare Sanchez and Zach in that they are/were both inconsistent, although both being talented. They could look great on one play and then do some serious bonehead stuff on the next. Zach, like Sanchez, has yet to take a step to the next level. Will be a small miracle if Zach and his 140 yd passing games can carry this team to a Super Bowl.
A devastating blow last night. Probably the worst, of many, in my lifetime of supporting The Jets. I was so optimistic and that is now severely diminished. I guess we go with what we have. Realistically a Superbowl run is optimisitic at best, but I still think we will be competitive in all games due to our elite defence and decent ST. Average QB play within a talented offence should put us in the play-offs. All is not lost, even though it might feel like it.
I still believe I will win the powerball I keep shelling out my hard earned money every single year hoping but every single year I feel like I got hose and bamboozled. In essence I got a better chance of winning the powerball than the jets do winning the Super Bowl with Zach Wilson as their starting qb
dude…your argument can’t be along the lines of hey look, Allen, Mahomes and Burrow lost. It just can’t. Those guys have all showed they are WORLDS better than Zach and have accomplished much more than him. Sure they lost. No QB wins every game. But that is totally irrelevant to the conversation around Zach. Of course nobody is calling for any of those guys to be pulled…they’ve proven that they are good…Mahomes has won championships, Burrow has been to the Super Bowl, and Allen, while not as accomplished as those two guys, has still won the division and made the playoffs. If Zach had even the success of Allen, we wouldn’t be bitching about him. So just come on. All that being said, if we want to be objective about Zach, then let’s do that. It’s not “hating”. It’s objective review of his game. To date, in his first two years, Zach has been in the bottom 3 rated QBs in the league. He’s thrown for about 55% completion rate, he averaged about 170 yards per game, he has shown an inability to really read the field, he has been wildly inaccurate on supposedly easy passes that most QB’s make 90% of the time (talking about quick hits to the flat, dumpoffs, etc.), and he has thrown more picks than TDs. That’s not hating. That’s just what it is. There are reasons/excuses for it, some of them valid, But those are just facts. So what about Monday night? I saw a backup QB come in after 4 plays when NOBODY expected him to play all year, and I saw much of the same…a stupid pick over the middle, an inability to read the field, and a propensity to run backwards for 20-30 yards, and again throwing for 150 yards. On the positive side, he made a few key throws, he was able to at least throw the ball away on those backward scrambles, and he improved his completion rate to 66% because on Monday he was able to hit those gimme throws that he’s consistently missed in the past. So I saw some improvement. The problem is that it’s hard in today’s NFL to win “around” your QB, or “in spite of” your QB, which is what we did Monday night. Our D is pretty great, and held a really good offense to 16 points, but they won’t always. They won’t always get 4 turnovers. We won’t always get a punt return TD. To make the playoffs, Zach is going to have to improve from “worst QB in the league” territory to at least “average” QB. We’ll see if he can do it
Dude, when I referred to Mahomes, et. al. I was simply pointing out that NO QB is perfect, and yet that seems to be the yardstick used for Zach here. Even when he has a competent, if not exceptional, game like Monday and they win. there's people would rather focus on the one INT he threw, or try to completely dismiss his role in GW's catch - someone had to throw the ball, right? And contrary to what some claim it wasn't a bad pass. Could it have been a little better? Sure. But he threw where his guy had a chance to catch it and the defender didn't (without blatant PI which actually could've been called anyway). And who said he's not reading the field? It sure looked like he was to me. In fact the TD pass came after he audibled after seeing what the defense was looking like. And a few of his passes were right where they needed to be for his receiver to catch it but not allowing the defender to. As for all those "backward scrambles", did you not see Rodgers have to do the same on at least one of his 4 plays? And did his scrambles result in a loss of yards, as they sometimes did his first two years? Not to mention, would he have had to even scramble if our OL was better? If you're honest, you'll admit the bigger problem for this team is the OL not QB. 150 yards is not inspiring, but then again, what were the plays that were called? You can say - like others have - that if Rodgers was in there they would've dialed up more aggressive plays. Maybe. But given how quickly the pass rush was getting to the QB, maybe not. If there were longer plays called, I'd be willing to bet they would've been audibles by Rodgers, not designed by Hackett. It was a game plan used because they had a QB in there who hadn't practiced with the 1s all week, and in consideration that it was going to be a defensive battle, with the team making the fewest mistakes likely to win - which is exactly what happened. But go ahead and criticize Zach for that too. As for his first two years we've discussed that ad nauseum. You either agree that he wasn't given a good development plan - which even LaFleur finally admitted - or you just spout the raw stats and stand on them as "proof" that he can never be better. Finally, I do agree that Zach will have to be better than just adequate if they're to make the playoffs. This is his chance to prove he can be once and for all. If he can't do better than that, I'll definitely be in agreement that they have to find a better starting QB.
The simple fact is we have no choice. There are those like @ColoradoContrails who completely see nothing but roses, and others like myself in the past who saw no hope in the kid at all. All we do is argue. We’ve given up tons of capital and draft picks for Rodgers. Giving up picks to bring in a guy lol or Winston is a 1 way ticket to purgatory. Either you sign a superstar or you draft a superstar. Everyone else leaves us in the land of MIN/SEA/OAK/NYG/NO etc…. Forever never making it, sometimes getting just enough of a sniff to corner yourself into paying for mediocrity. Aaron Rodgers was our play. We moved all in on the hopes he could turn us around. It was and always will be the best decision we could have made, it didn’t work out. The only thing we have to turn to at this point is a prayer that given the talent around him and 3 years into his career, along with the mentorship of Rodgers, that Zach becomes what the people who believe in him feel he can be. I said last year that Zach would likely be out of the league in 5 years. Zach needs to prove us wrong, and I think given that he’s our only real hope we need to get behind him and try and send all the positive energy we can his way.
If you actually read my posts you'll see that I've regularly admitted that Zach needs to improve. Hardly "roses". Unlike those who always dump on hi, who never admit to seeing anything positive in his play. I'll stand by my assessment that he still has potential, and hasn't proven that he can't reach it...a stance apparently shared by the Jets BTW. But he now has a chance to show one way or the other, and if he doesn't improve, I'll freely admit that he isn't the answer and they have to get someone else. Again, I don't call that "roses", I call it fair.
IF Zach can limit the throws in the dirt, the airmail interceptions, the throwaway interceptions, the 20 yard scramble for a loss sacks, the blatent misread interceptions, and the 96mph fastballs to players 5 yards in front of him (anything else I'm missing?), there is a chance we win 9 games. The kid has a cannon for an arm. The throw he made to Lazard over the middle was an absolute rocket. He had trouble corraling it because it came in so fast. The throw when he was falling down to Lazard would have been lauded as a great off platform play if it was Mahomes, the read on the TD to Wilson was the correct one even if the throw wasn't perfect, his throw just before it to Wilson was great. He can move enough to get away from the pressure that will come because of the Swiss cheese o line we have... So you're telling me there's a chance!
I thought you said he'd never take another snap for the Jets ever again? Or am I confusing you with someone else? Either way, good to see you having some faith, as little as it may be
Fair enough. You and cval have been on another plane of supporting Zach though and I think that’s more than fair to say, so I was just drawing up the dichotomy of our differences more than anything. But our mutual agreement no matter where you stand is that Zach is now really our only “hope” of greatness. Zach has never shown he’s capable of greatness, but he has shown the staff he has that potential in him. I want to win this year, the only way to that solution is if Zach actually starts showing the potential that people believe he has. Personally my shangri La at this point is a story where Rodgers goes down, but invests himself into helping Zach grow. If by some crazy luck we win a SB this season I think every player will credit Rodgers for his presence, leadership, and guidance. That has deep meaning to a guy like Rodgers who believes in manifesting your best self no matter what life presents.
And here you are again, adding absolutely zero value in your posts trying to be a snarky little dick. Serious question, do you look yourself in the mirror deciding that it’d be cool to act like a total schmuck to strangers on the internet, or is being a bitter useless member of society your actual life?
I know you probably think you're being fair minded with this statement, but how is what cval and I post trying to present an objective narrative about Zach any different than all those who just see nothing positive in him? If anything we've been more openminded about Zach's shortcomings than those who criticize him. Watch the breakdown by Luke Grant of PLAJ I posted to get some perspective. And I don't expect you or anyone to simply agree with me that Zach still has potential, but you can at least acknowledge that he might have potential because the Jets sure didn't do much before this off season to develop it, as admitted to by MLF. In any case, hopefully we can agree that this team's chances rest on whether Zach can step up or not.
I just said he might have potential. All I did was call you and cval out as examples of his biggest supporters on this site. You’re responding as if that’s an attack on you. You have nothing to defend, my point was explicitly no matter whether you support the kid with hope as ardently as you do, or if you’re as skeptical as can be about Zach like I am, we literally have no choice. Zach becoming something he is currently not is the only option for this team to now reach its highest potential for success this year, so that’s what I am hoping and rooting for. Trading for washed up has beens a is a recipe for disaster.
I am optimistic and hopeful Zach can take the next step. His career, confidence and team support took a nose dive after the second Patriots game last season. I think how MLF sabotaged Zach last season is a big reason he was let go. My support of Zach and any other QB that is takes at least three seasons for the game to start slowing down. Doing him dirty like they did last year could or should have ruined the kids career. He bounced back ate a piece of humble pie and embraced his role as back-up. If all was perfect Zach would have sat most of this season and learned more from AR. This is the NFL and that does not change the fact that he is in year 3 and has to take a big step to show he is the future. He will not be able to check at the line like Rodgers but he has to show more than a game manager this season. If he does not he will be gone and I will be the first pushing him out the door.
Watching Benigno the other night gave me renewed hope. The Jets were coasting along last year until Breece went down. The defense is even better plus Hackett is more of a player's coach and will get more out of Wilson. Rodgers will be on the sidelines rooting the team on and providing insight. And when Zach looks over at Rodgers at a big moment in a game the future Hall of famer will yell from the sidelines "Go get 'em kid." The hero/ mentor goes down and the protégé takes over. Time for Zach Skywalker to destroy the death star and the Cowboys too. We're watching a Hollywood movie unfold. Go Jets.
