Year End Grade: Joe Douglas - GM

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Your Year End Grade for Joe Douglas

  1. A+ to A-

    12.4%
  2. B+ to B-

    53.7%
  3. C+ to C-

    20.7%
  4. D or below

    13.2%
  1. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Our coaching staff is light years better than Urban Meyer.
     
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  2. teamgreen

    teamgreen Well-Known Member

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    Got too cute trying to build too broadly, too fast. Letting Moses go with the "hope" that Bechton and Fant would somehow stay healthy all season was a critical error.... should obviously have been resigned. Could also argue that the trade up for Johnson may have cost the Jets a solid Rookie O-lineman-- but too early/too many factors to consider there.
     
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  3. rscherwin

    rscherwin Well-Known Member

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    He got everything right, except he did not challenge Saleh hard enough on the makeup of his coaching staff.
     
  4. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    Probably because it was a few games into his rookie season on a dumpster fire of a team....
     
  5. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    Fans were dumping on him the whole season, he was labeled a bust by the end of the season.
     
  6. Jets OG fan

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    I'm one of the few people that gave Douglas an A. He is the absolute last person to blame for any of the issues with the team. He absolutely murdered the draft and without all those fluke injuries, this team is in the playoffs even with Zach Wilson at the helm. JD's mind is in the right place.
     
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  7. burf

    burf Well-Known Member

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    JD's presser today... a few things I didn't love, but the only thing that really troubled me, was that he said the Jets have a championship D. If they really believe that, they may not make important decisions to actually improve it. Hopefully, it was just GM-speak, but it did bother me.


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  8. Jets79

    Jets79 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah…I don’t agree with any of the fire him talk at all. This was always going to be a full tear down and rebuild, and it sucks that we wasted that first year with Gase, but in reality this was year two of the rebuild. We made progress. Sucks that we collapsed down the stretch, but injuries were particularly brutal on OL and that combined with piss poor QB play doomed us. We were keeping it together with AVT and Hall but losing those two killed us…the OL was never the same again and the other backs could not mask it like Hall did.

    that being said, JD has not been perfect…far from it. I think that despite the injuries, OL should NOT be as bad as it’s been this far into JDs tenure. It should have been fixed already. Let’s not forget, though, that Mac ignored OL for five years so we were starting from a HUGE talent hole on OL…but counting on Becton was a mistake…the OL needs to be fixed next year…no fucking excuses.

    The QB position is the other real issue…and I’m no fan of Zach, but QBs are super hard to evaluate. Sure Fields is looking better right now because he’s running a lot, but he’s already been hurt and I just don’t think he’s going to be a real answer at QB honestly. I think Chicago will have some nice plays when he rips off a 50 yard run but in a couple of years they’ll be searching for a QB I think.

    so two big huge issues that are not a good look for him, but he’s also upgraded the talent on our roster by a lot, and the defense is now ready to go…not elite by any means but good enough to win with in my opinion. They broke down a lot down the stretch but it’s hard to keep playing great D when your offense goes three and out every drive and puts up 6 points per game. Fix the offense and the defense will play better.

    so if it’s my call…I let JD get this offseason to continue the rebuild and I demand a playoff team in year three of the rebuild…I think that’s reasonable based on where we are.
     
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  9. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Didn’t know where to put this but it hurts my heart seeing the crew highlight Tyler Linderbaum. Wish we moved up to get him rather than Jermaine Johnson.

    Saw Morgan Moses’s name pop up in the starting lineup too so I read into some Ravens boards and he’s supposedly had a great year. Douglas really gets a B- overall but a D or F on the offensive line.
     
  10. Jets1035

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    Give him another 4 years. The roster is getting better. Need a better CS. Give him one more chance to get this right
     
  11. Borat

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    Linderbaum went a pick earlier, and JD tried to move up since 14. Linderbaum wasn't happening instead of JJ even the Jets wanted to. I really liked him too, thought he was a top 10 guy.

    Fant over Moses was a huge mistake, we can see it now. The Jets preferred Fant to Moses even at RT. If you remember, he started over Moses in the first game last year, before Becton got hurt. If coaches says they prefer Fant to Moses, JD would act accordingly. Of course JD picked the coaches also, so he is ultimately responsible.
     
  12. Jets OG fan

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    I think it was partially GM speak, but IMO when you have a top 5 defense and bottom 10 offense, most of the work SHOULD go toward the offense.

    The fatal flaw of the Rex Ryan era was that they had the opposite mentality and just kept trying to make the defense marginally better instead of putting together even a semi-competent offense to compliment it.
     
  13. Jets OG fan

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    JD has been working on the oline for the last 3 years. It's easy to say that it should have been fixed, when people keep having fluke injuries. I feel like Douglas tried his best.

    And no, he wasn't completely reliant on Becton. He signed a pro bowl guard in the off season to compliment AVT (who plays tackle as well and did it well), they drafted Max Mitchell who was looking good before the blood clots, and had Fant who was coming off a good year. He even brought in Brown who fought through pain all year when he needed surgery. JD tried his best.

    That line is above average if they stay healthy even without Becton. I think if they are upgrading it, the next target should be a center.

    I do generally agree with your post. JD hasn't been perfect, but I think his mind is in the right place based on the moves he made. He seems to be very good at targeting team needs.
     
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  14. burf

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    If you wanna do stats, look at the run D, which is average. A top 5 D is stout against the run, & creates turnovers... that aint the Jets at present.
    They're a good D, with weakness up the middle. They need a big DT alongside Q, & need to upgrade safety, at least for Joyner. Then LB.
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  15. Bellys Lies

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    The bottom line is 3 yrs in we are worst team in the AFC east. We do not hold any advantages to leap over any of the teams above us We have shot our load on draft picks. . We only have 5 o-line men signed for next yr, only Zack signed at qb,Rankins.Shephard ,Huff, Alexander,Q Williams, and Zue all are free agents Williams wants a new contract. It seems impossible to dulpicate the talent we had on the roster this yr going into next yr. It seems like we can not afford to any new starters to the o-line, lucky to add depth through the draft ,undrafted free agents , Backup qb to Wilson is going to cost 8-10 million per, even if it is White.
    The only good thing is we should have a top 8 pick next year to get our qb, hopefully JD does not get to pick it again, as this might be his high water mark as the far as wins in a season ,already with one of the worst records in Jets GM history
     
  16. Jets1035

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    The sad part is when JD goes will Woody go with an Idzik or Mac type again? That could do some real damage to the fanbase support, and future fan generated revenue. How would all of you feel if this franchise went 20 years without a playoff appearance or even a winning season?
     
  17. Tamba_Trio

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    Idzik had more wins in his 2 years than JD has ever managed in consecutive seasons.

    And, when he left, we had $100 million set up in cap space for the next season (which was the main reason we went 10 and 5 in 2016).

    There's nothing to suggest he was any worse as a GM than JD has been.

    I'm not saying Idzik was good (he wasn't) but he did produce a team that could get 8 wins in a year.
     
  18. Nyjets4eva

    Nyjets4eva Well-Known Member

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    He didn’t have half the Bs to clean up from either. Every situation is different you can only compare so much lol. Anyway if y’all think JD is the worst of our problems I can’t wait for the next guy to come in and fuck it up more
     
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  19. BrooklynJetsFan

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    The draft picks is the real issue. JD passing up a haul for Zach wilson will go down as all-time silly GM moves - unless Wilson wins a SB with us. We had Darnold signed for one more year. You never reach for the 2nd best when all those picks are looking right at you.

    Now you can’t fix the oline. No Free agent QB is coming to play behind there.

    Yea so you better get that NE tight end coach, and run 3 TEs sets like Vrabel and run the rock.
     
  20. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Professional scouting is a mess. I think it was Willie Colon or Bart Scott that pointed that out.

    Douglas is a huge disappointment. I thought we were getting a culture changer but we got a 'yes man' who really aint too different from the guy he replaced
     
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