Here's the thing I wonder about: would an experienced HC with options ever choose the Jets? It may be no accident that during Woody's tenure, the team had to settle for a string of first-time HCs. These guys tend to be desperate for a shot at a HC job, not guys who have numerous offers to choose from. (Gase had experience, but I doubt that teams were lining up to give him another HC job). Ultimately, it boils down to this: in league circles, is Woody seen as a bumbling meddler who should be avoided at all costs? If so, that would explain a lot.
The Jets have all the talent in the world and youth now besides at the Qb position so don't give me that, you give any coach a blank check and keys to the ship and any coach would want to come here. Who wouldn't want to coach Sauce, Garrett Wilson, Avt, and all the up and coming people on the Jets right now. It's not like we don't have talent.
If they are all "solid," "dependable," or "cheap backups," why do we suck? Why don't we have a solid offensive line with lots of cheap depth instead of one of the worst lines in the league (again)? At some point you have to say "We added a lot of players and we are still not good. Maybe the guy picking the players doesn't know what he's doing?"
I think you may be a tad bit optimistic about the persuasiveness of Woody's checkbook. Experienced HCs know that a bumbling, meddling owner can fuck up a wet dream and derail the best efforts of even a first-rate coach and GM.
because we are at the bottom of the barrel when you lose the quality starters and don't have true consistency all year long. It's really not that hard to understand. Duane Brown Is playing down from his usual form because he's playing hurt, he's the best option we have right now, even with him playing hurt and below expectation. Laken Tomlinson hasn't played all that good overall this year. McGovern Is upgradable but has also been steady at least. LDT literally just came to the team like a month ago, after his medical leave thing. Not Ideal. Fant Is playing hurt, out of position, and has been off all year. Duane Brown, Tomlinson, McGovern, LDT, Fant That Isn't ideal. It's also common sense. I don't get what we are even arguing at this point.
I voted for keep Saleh b/c I think it's asinine to give up a first for Payton. I don't really think there is anyone out there who is better than Saleh and I'm tired of getting coordinators and letting them learn on the job. I would not give two shits if Woody went full scorched Earth and fired everyone. 5-2 -> 7-4 -> 7-10 is unacceptable. The goal posts and expectations moved.
Why would Harbaugh leave his castle to come here? He’s making over $7 mill annually at Michigan, I don’t think woody has ever exceeded $5 mil per for any coach ever
You just made the point. He’s invested a ton and he’s been a terrible offensive line evaluator. Teams need to find low cost free agent and lower round draft picks that start on the offensive line. If they don’t, the line is going to be bad.
Terrible Is harsh. ..and I don't care how they do It. As long as It gets done. There are obviously many different ways you can build a good OL. You can look all through the NFL to find that. It's clearly not good enough though and we are going to be looking to upgrade several positions this offseason too along the OL. My main point. JD has invested a lot Into the line. Between injuries and misses.. Yeah, not good enough.
Payton and Harbaugh would both be clean out the stables moves. Both would require north of $20M a year and full control with the ability to hire a caddy GM and fill out the football org chart below that.
And the problem is? If the Jets fire Saleh this season they are paying him a avg of 12.5 mil for 2 seasons of mediocrity. Better to pay 20 mil a season for someone good and will be here for a while.
You need to give up a draft pick for Payton -- most likely the 10th - 15th overall. No fucking thanks.
Better than wasting it on another bust Qb. Having a good coach who knows how to turn a terrible organization around is damn worth that pick.
Three reasons a proven coach would come here, to the Jets: 1. It's NY and the biggest media market. 2. If Woody would pay enough, $10M a year and a guaranteed contract. 3. If they had total control and only answered to Woody. I think Harbaugh would love another shot at the NFL level, but it would have to far supersede the money he is already getting at Michigan and he would require full control. Everyone has a price, you just have to find it, and Woody has BILLIONs he made from Covid he could spend. Payton wants back in the game, but there will be steep competition from other teams, so we would have to out pay the other offers and also give him full control. Any good candidate would want the QB of their choice, not leftovers or damaged goods.
Yes for 5 years so if they fire him this offseason they still need to pay him for the remaining 3 years which amounts to 12.5 mil a year. The Jets love doing that who is the last Jets coach who made it his entire contract?
