Ferguson had NO TIME to do anything, but Colvin, who didn't know what was coming, had time to get upfield and knock a pass down 2-3 yds behind the line.. Amazing. Colvin must be lightning quick. As for Cinvis.. How inthe world do you know what all 31 other teams? Ferguson did not do his job on that play. It's a quick hitting pass/lateral/whatever you want to call it, AND it's FERGUSONS JOB to clear the passing lane. He did not do that. Amazing how someone is a loser because they do not agree with you. How in the world you do not think it's Ferguson's job to clear the passing lane is beyond me... HOWEVER, ANOTHER POINT YOU ARE ALL MISSING. IF FERGUSON, OR SOMEONE ELSE PICKS UP THE BALL WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THIS. JUMP ON THE DAMNED BALL.
Oh yeah, and Klecko73 is right. We've fought many times in the past, and we dont' see eye to eye, but one thing is true.. I can respect him because he reads the message REGARDLESS of the author instead of just rejecting stuff because of the author. How in the world it's not the line's job to clear the passing lane is just a head scratcher.
It was 1 yard from the line. And Colvin DID know it was coming. You'd know this if you watched the play. I watch a ridiculous amount of football. No you are a loser for not providing evidence of your theory. Instead you rant about how you are right. END OF DISCUSSION. haha. My original point. poor coaching. You run this play so much. How have you not drilled it into your players head that this might be a lateral. Completely unprepared.
Poor coaching. Thanks for another laugh. Poor awareness by the players.... Coaches don't play the game. The players need to take a little responsibility here... it's not always the coaches fault. I frankly do not care if you watch each and every game 5 times over each week... if you do not think it's the line's job to clear the passing lane on the play.... how can I listen to anything else? (notice, no name calling required to disagree).. I watched the play, and guess what.... It certainly does not allow me to READ COLVINS MIND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE WAS THINKING. He reacted great, that I can see, but he KNEW BEFORE THE SNAP? Sorry, I'm not a mind reader... and no amount of watching the play will change that. You do realize that the line lines up behind the LOS, < 1 yard by rule, but they do line up slightly behind the line, and their BODIES are more than 1 yard long, so it was a minimum of 2 yards. Somehow Colvin moved 2+ yards to make this play, YET Ferguson had no time to do anything. Man, if this is true, we wasted the 4 pick in the draft, and I do not think that's true.
The same thing happened in the Dolphins game and Cotchery jumped on the ball immediately, Ferguson was going for it also. So was it good coaching in the Miami game and bad coaching in the NE game?
Both coaches and players are equally to blame. I think it is a valid point that perhaps Jets weren't prepared that the sideline lob pass could be a lateral and the coaches should have players ready to recover the ball and ask questions later. Another thing is that it is unfortunate that the play took place rather close to the Pats sidelines and they had guys signaling for their players to go for the loose ball - if it had happened on the other side, we would probably get some help from our sidelines as well.
Wow. 99% of the cattle that post on this forum might be impressed with your amazing analysis with no backup evidence, but I see you very differently. I think you talk a big game, and are satisfied with impressing the feeble minded masses. You should run for office. Watch some of the Jet games from the year. You will see dozens of the same formation with the same blocking. But you'll never admit it.
Same blocking? Maybe... but this time Ferguson missed the block, OR THIS PLAY WOULD NEVER WORK. Explain to me how if Ferguson drops back 2 yards, how this "QUICK HITTING SCREEN" works if Pennington has to throw it over Ferguson and/or the guy he's blocking.. That makes no sense. The only way this worked before is if Pennington dropped back further, but that's not the play. Either way, there is no point arguing with you as you're just interested in insults. You can be impressed or not impressed and throw your personal attacks around all you want. I won't go to that level.. Enjoy.
You obviously did not watch the Miami play as you claimed you did. Pennington threw it right over Ferguson and Taylor since with his arm throwing the ball at its top most point goes right over both players. The difference, if you bothered to watch, was Taylor came in as a typical pass rusher should, low. Ferg did engage him, but that made no difference. On the Colvin play, Ferg did the exact same thing, but the rusher, Colvin, did not bite as he immediately went for the screen pass. he jumped, immediately into the path of the ball. No hesitation.
Thanks for making my point. "Ferguson did engage him..", something people were saying was NOT POSSIBLE because it happened so quickly. Thanks for contradicting all that. I rest my case. Ferguson got the job done that time, didn't this time. It's Ferguson's job to open the passing lane. In the Miami game, Taylor did the work for Ferguson. In the NE game, Colvin did something differently, and Ferguson did not react correctly to open the lane. So, yes, I did OBVIOUSLY watch the game in question multiple times. I looked at the play you mentioned after you told me about it on my computer, and guess what.. I saw an open passing lane. That's all the matters. It's Ferguson's job to make sure it's open. In Miami it was.
It was not possible in the Colvin case, because he did what Taylor did not, read the play. He engaged Taylor because Taylor bit on Fergs fake, of a pass play. Colvin did not. Why aren't you saying that Ferg did not do his job on the Taylor play because he didn't cut him. That's what he is supposed to do , according to you. Ferg did what the play told him to do, Fake like he was blocking on a regular pass play. He did exactly what he was called on by the coaching staff to do. Colvin didn't bite. Mistake, Jets staff, for running the same play, over and over, expecting Beli and the Pats wouldn't catch on. Obviously Beli and Colvin are smarter than you.
If you watched or payed any attention to that game it is easy to see that the Pats were not expecting the screen and Ferg had to get Colvin on the ground, or his hands down. Cothery catches that ball he is off to the races. But things did not go that way so all in all SOMEONE HAD TO FALL ON THE BALL.
You'll have more success explaining that to your wife, or the wall sitting next to your desk. He doesn't listen. It's simple physics. If the passing lane is not clear (whether by Taylor 'going low', getting the defender to the ground, or getting his hands down), the pass can't go through. They even said on the broadcast Belichick told them to get their hands up... but no... it's like talking to the wall.
Hey Newton, that's how the play is supposed to work, but it kind of falls apart when the guy that's supposed to be rushing the passer has jumped out on the screen route and isn't there to clear out. The only thing Ferguson did wrong on that play was not pick it up when Colvin dropped it.
i think Cinvis had it pegged when he said the coaches messed up and its evident by the lack of movement on the ball from 11 jets players. BUT I agree with JetsIn2004, mostly cuz I played both sides of the ball, and here was my explanation plain and simple I blame the turnover from that play on D'Brickashaw. He knew they were running a left screen, what does he do? he backpedals the whole way and lets Colvin get face first in the pocket and smack it down. this is really starting to worry me, forget the turnover scratch the season, I've noticed Ferguson is horrendous at the point of attack and as far as pass pro goes, hes pretty good, but seems to me all he can do is manage to keep his defender in front of him(which is what makes him good), but when it comes to engaging or getting any extension youd think your asking him to solve the cold fusion theory.
Can't agree with this.. Colvin made a great play jumping the area, but it's Fergusons responsibility to make sure the area is CLEAN. Now Ferguson is definitely to blame among others for not jumping on the ball.
In Miami, Leon and the J-E-T-S ran the screen perfectly and it ultimately won the game for us... A good screen is priceless... A poor one can be death.
Did anyone see when they faked the screen and Leon gained 10 yards? thats what we need more of......... Cotchery was way to far back, it was almost obvious what what going on from Colvin's perspective and he was lined up so far outside of Ferguson he couldn't have done anything about it.
