I have no idea how you can blame Ferg for this. The throw was made in a half a second after the snap. Colvin made no attempt to rush the passer. Instead he knew the play was coming and went straight up field into the path of the throw. How is Ferg going to get him on the ground? If you want to place blame, place it on the coaching staff that run the same plays from the same formations over and over, giving away our plays.
His job is to cut the rusher.. That's how that play works, so he gets his hands DOWN (either by falling down, or to put his hands on Ferguson to not get cut), and he didn't do it. That's FERGUSON'S JOB ON THE PLAY... He doesn't have to be put on the ground, he just has to get Colvin's HANDS DOWN and CUTTING HIM will do that (because Colvin has to avoid the cut or go down). Ferguson has not been great all year. Mangold has been awesome..
Wrong. His job is to fake like its a regular pass play. Just like any screen. If he drops down it alerts the whole D to the play. Not like they didn't know any way.
>> That's right, I said as much yesterday. The way I have usually seen the blocking scheme for that play is that tackle pops the D-lineman and then cut blocks in order to clear the passing lane for the QB as he throws more or less parallel to the line of scrimmage. I was surprised that D'Brick essentially went back as if defending the passer in the pocket. Well, that said and done, makes no difference at this point as long as D'Brick learns the lesson and improves further for the '07 season.
Trust me, I'm not wrong on this. The play doesn't work well unless Chad throws is excessively backward or if Ferguson gets his guys hands down. It's not like a regular screen. For starters, a screen is delayed to allow the rush to get up field. There is no need for that here as it's close to immediate. Secondly, a regular screen is blocked by the WRs AND the line (who can't go downfield, so they do not block the rush, and let them "block" themselves, and then get onto the second level), and the bubble screen does not have time for the line to get out there.
Well I just went back and watched the Jets run this exact play against Miami. It wasn't hard to find one. I just looked for this exact formation. We are sooooo predictable in our plays based on formation. Ferg did exactly the same thing. Took a step back like he was in regular pass blocking mode. Jason Taylor rushes like it was a regular play and Chad threw it over his head. So unless he did it wrong on that play (and every team in the NFL that runs the play is wrong), I would assume that is the design of the play. But I'm sure they are all wrong and you are right. The difference was the Pats knew the play because we run it out of the same formation every time. Colvin knew it and didn't rush the passer.
The only sentence correct here is the last one. Colvin made a great play stopping and getting his hands up.
Go watch the Miami game. It was our second possession. About 5 minutes into the game. edit: 10:22 of the 1st quarter.
Saw it. It's Ferguson's job to keep him out of the passing lane, and he FAILED on that play. PERIOD, end of discussion.
That is incorrect, watch the replay again. The Jets have two guys downfield ready to block 2 Pat defenders. At the point the pass/lateral is thrown, there is no defender within 15-20 yards. If the ball would have been caught, the play would have gone for a minimum of 15+ yards. If the Jets get good downfield blocking, the play goes for more yardage...look at the Pats backfield, there is NO ONE there. Without Colvin's outstanding individual effort, its a big play for the Jets...hardly a situation where the Pats "knew the play"! As for Colvin not rushing the passer, that is pure BS. He was rushing and couldn't get to the QB. Simms had been saying all game that the Pats were prepared to get there hands up if they couldn't get to Pennington. That is quite different from not rushing at all. This same technique was used quite effectively by the Pats several years ago in a game where Pennington threw 3-4 picks.
BAAAAHHAAAAAA. Yes sir. Everyone around the league is wrong and you are right. Even when you are shown video evidence. What a loser.
Despite his irrational hatred of the CS Cinvis is absolutely correct on this one. Chad threw the ball almost immediately after it was snapped, and Ferguson had absolutely no time to do anything to Colvin. As for Colvin "rushing the passer" he made no effort to come after Chad, he simply moved into the passing lane and Chad threw it right to him.
Cinvis - Jetsin2004 is more than capable of defending himself, but you are wrong on this one. I very rarely agree with him...ask him yourself, he will say the same...but on this one he is correct. You need to look at how that play is designed. Colvin made a great play, but Ferguson knows how that play is designed and needs to man handle Colvin out of the lane. Add about 20 pds of offseason weight room work and it wont be a problem next year. But this year it was part of the problem on that play. Once again, for someone spouting off about "video evidence", you need to look at the play in question again. No way were the Pats ready for that play...its a 15+ yard gainer at minimum. If Colvin doesn't make a great play and/or Ferguson mauls like he should, thats easily a Jets first down. The Jets also ran a similar if not the same play (I can't recall) that was a big gainer and was called back on a questionable McCareins hold. Lets give the Pats credit for a fine victory, but they are far from perfect or infallible. And again...go check the game tape...Sims was talking all game about how Pat defenders not getting to Penny were getting there hands up in the passing lane.
How was Ferguson supposed to "manhandle" Colvin out of the way? Launch himself at his feet? Tackle him? Colvin sniffed out the play and never came close to engaging Ferguson.
Look at my earlier posts. I said Colvin made a great play. But it wasn't like there 10 Pat defenders with him. So in no way shape or form was the Pats defene "ready" for the play. Colvin realized he wasn't going to make it to Penny and played the passing lane...like they had been doing all game. Ferguson needs to get in there. Penny needs to execute it better. The whole team needs to remember to play to whistle. Incidently, if someone still has the game Tivo'd, check on the replay and see if the two Jet receivers down field locked up on the Pats defenders. From what I remember, I thought they had. Which is important, because I think they can only do that on a run play...which means its pretty irrational for all the Jets to be standing around knowing the play was designed as with a lateral.
What that screen does to for us is open up the run a little bit. After the first attempted screen to JMac, we faked that same play and got some guys up in the air and ran a draw to Leon for a solid first down. That was a great call.
Well I don't know if the whole Pats defense knew that play was coming but it certainly looked like Colvin did. There was no time for him to "try to get to the QB", Penny threw the ball almost immediately, and Colvin was right there waiting. It's not like Colvin was lined up on the DL, Ferguson had no chance to put a body on him.
Just watched it. The Jet receivers lock up but by that point the ball was already on the ground. That means if the ball wasn't tipped, they would have engaged their blockers after the ball was caught. Perfectly legal even if it is a forward pass. Watching the wide view angle replay, The safety and both LB's to that side are already sliding to that side. Those players may or may not have know it was the screen, but Colvin sure did.
