The more I think about this….. in what world , where 6 people live in a house together and are supposedly friends. Does one find an unresponsive friend, and instead of waking up the other friends , call a group of non residents over to investigate. And still not see a bloody murder scene. So, they only checked one friend, and didn’t bother checking the others, that would have known why the person was “unresponsive “, because in all likely hood they were out together.
Let's say some psycho with some info decided to kill everyone in the house. Does it make sense to start on the top floors and work one's way down? IDK but it seems to me one would start at the first floor so if you had to get away at least you know the floor below has no witnesses. This "guy" supposedly skipped the first floor and went first to either the 2nd or 3rd. So IMO its not some random psycho.
They haven’t come right out and said it, but hinted that he came in through the 2nd floor sliders. Someone said today that there was blood on the top railing, like he jumped instead of going back down. But that’s not confirmed.
2 surviving roommates, ex-boyfriend that the two girls repeatedly called until 3am (setting up an alibi for himself maybe after killing the two girls?), any partygoer at the house with a violent criminal record, any close neighbor with a violent criminal record. How many possible suspects can there really be in this case once you get past that cohort? Also, if the dog was found wandering outside it probably means he was let out before the crime, likely by somebody who would not trigger him, like an ex-boyfriend or roommate. It's possible he was let out to relieve himself and then somebody wandered in before he came back but that sounds unlikely. The odds this is a random psychopath are basically next to zero. It's somebody with history with the victims in some way.
I agree, or someone who had been studying/annoyed by/ or had an altercation with them. If this was a “party” house, if enough people came and went , a stranger could mingle among them right in their home. The one thing that will separate the killer from the pack, is that not everyone could commit a crime like this. I guess it also has to be considered that just because cops say someone isn’t a suspect, doesn’t mean they aren’t. They could just be hoping someone has enough rope to hang themself .
I would try to establish when the victim broke up with the ex-boyfriend. I'd try to establish if the two girls including the one who broke up with the ex-boyfriend were in a relationship. I'd try to establish how often the victim who broke up with the ex-boyfriend called him after the break up. It's highly unlikely that they suddenly besiege him with phone calls for the first time on the same night they are both violently murdered.
I think he’s been solidly cleared By the cops, and the family. Even has custody of the dog now. but…. If he was the one, leaving his phone at home and then calling it from theirs after killing then would be a good attempt at an alibi, especially since he didn’t answer the calls. edit.. the calls to the boyfriends phone were from 226-252. I doubt he sat there for 30 mins calling his phone.
I don't know. That alibi only works for me if one of the calls is answered. Cell tower pings are limited in their effectiveness because you can't prove who is holding it without the help of the NSA.
yeah, I don’t think he had anything to do with it. And as strange as the 911 call scenario is, I don’t think they did either. This seems like the work of someone with certain capabilities.
So this scenario popped to mind as I was drifting off to sleep last night. The two roommates who survived got home at 1am and in their beds and asleep by the time the other 4 showed up at 1:45am. The other 4 in bed and lights out by 2:15am. The ex-boyfriend shows up and goes inside when he sees all the lights out. He lets the dog out with no disturbance there because the dog knows him. He goes into Kaylee's room and finds her in bed with Maddie and flips and kills them both. Downstairs on the second floor he hears noises and when he gets down there he kills the other two victims. One of the survivors is on that floor but she got home at 1am and is passed out already. The other survivor is on the floor below and passed out and hears nothing either. The ex-boyfriend exits by the same door by the patio that he entered. Couple of notes on the scenario: 1. Nobody reported a barking dog that night and that means the odds are excellent that the dog knew the murderer since he wound up outside without barking. It is possible that the victims let the dog out and he passed the murderer like ships in the night however odds on this happening without a canine challenge are low. 2. The circumstances of the up to 10 calls by Kaylee to the ex-boyfriend are important. That they were calls and not texts is kind of strange. Did the calls all go to voicemail? Did Kaylee leave a voicemail? If they were 10 calls and hang-ups that is extraordinarily suspicious. Secondary questions: obviously the police checked for prints on Kaylee's phone. Did they find any or had the phone been wiped? What excuse did the ex-boyfriend give for not hearing 10 calls in the middle of the night? Somebody calls me at 3am and I am cursing and getting up and getting my phone from it's place 2 rooms away.
IDK--for one, it had to be premeditated since the killer came in with a Rambo knife. So catching them in bed although infuriating would not have been the cause. You gotta look at him tho I agree. What happened to your theory that the 2 survivors were involved? This still seems like the most likely, albeit a low probability, scenario. It would explain a lot. PS: did you hear about the Oregon murder/mayhem that was similar to this case in that sleeping people were attacked with knife with no known reason and cops are baffled there too?
The 2 survivors were on the very bottom floor. The girl and boyfriend were on floor 2 , its been hinted were the first killed. The other 2 girls on the 3rd floor. They are believed to be killed last. What’s unclear is if he went back downstairs to leave, or hopped the 3rd floor balcony(saw this said, but can’t remember where). I still don’t believe that this is the work of anyone very close to them, more likely someone who studied them, or they knew in passing/partying. I fear that the subject will get caught, but possibly after it’s done again . I could be totally wrong too, because as you said, the phone calls are strange, but according to the older sister not uncommon. Maybe he had the volume low, he was drunk and out. The calls apparently came from both girls phones that were on the top floor. Also the chance that cops have much more, and aren’t letting it out(my hope).
Definitely, and it was found inside the house. Not down the street, or even outside. Another notable thing… there is no separation, line a door that can lock, between the very first floor and the other 2. Just an open set of stairs. there is also someone online , stating to be the mother of a very good friend of the male that was killed. She says her son got a text after 2am, still at the party, and his girlfriend went Home ahead of him. Could just be another rock dropped in the online cesspool, but I’m sure it will have to be addressed if it goes any further.
We need to have a better idea of who everybody is and how they relate. Also we probably need to know who from outside the group could be covering for who. The FBI profilers are going to have their hands full on this one, particularly given two crimes with some similarities within 400 miles or so.
I keep thinking about what type of person/ monster can do something like this. I think every one at some point, has gotten them self so mad that they have broken something, yelled at someone, even fought with someone. But then, shortly after a different emotion takes over, like a natural reaction to rage. Of course just an opinion, but For someone to stab someone to death… and then methodically move another room, even climb a set of stairs, to do it again, and possibly again a 3rd time? Just my opinion, but that capability eliminates the majority of the population. Would definitely eliminate your everyday college student(roommates, boyfriends etc). I just can’t see someone socializing at a bar, sorority party, and then doing this . This person is comparatively unique. Whether a loner, serial killer… etc. there is just a huge difference between shooting, and stabbing.
The latest info is due to an unfortunate interview that the coroner in Moscow gave a few days ago. She let slip some information that probably should not have been released. Each of the victims was killed with one or two stabs from what appears to be a military-issued combat knife. The blows were to the chest and the solar plexus. They were hard blows that left bruising on the victims where the crossbar hit them. This was not a bloody slasher at work, he knew what he was doing and probably killed them very quickly with only a short interval where defensive wounds could have occurred. The strength of the thrusts suggests that the attacker was agitated or angry but precise anyway. Combine this with the interview of the former FBI profiler a couple of days ago where he said that the unsub was probably young and a first time killer, likely in the age range or a bit older than the victims, and we get a profile of a young man with military experience or wannabe. He likely killed the 4 victims while in the grip of an angry impulse. He was not a methodical killer looking for victims because he left two likely unconscious individuals unharmed. Combine this with the general profile that Kaylee Goncalves was the primary target (we don't know why they've reached this conclusion, however we don't know how many stabs each victim actually took and what the force impact on each victims was) and we're left with somebody that she primarily interacted with. This could have been the ex or it could have been somebody she interacted with that evening at the sports bar or food truck or on the ride home. One other piece of info that we don't have is whether either of the roommates brought anybody home with them that night. We also do not know who let the dog out.
I just hope they have more than they are letting out. They have released a statement saying they don’t believe at this point in a connection with the other 2 murders near by. If this were a local person , in a small town, his profile is likely known to authorities. The ex boyfriend, I would think as first time rage killer,would be giving off vibes to those close to him… this isn’t something a first timer with otherwise no shown capabilities, walks away from unchanged. He’s been interviewed, givin custody of the dog, cleared by her family. Just don’t see it
