And on this note, a telling quote (from a NY Post article)... It would seem from this quote, they ARE pulling the reins on Zach, which to me is a coaching problem, & could be hindering Zach's growth. I'm really looking forward to see how Zach, & the CS deal with the Pats.
I didn't watch all the clips. She is definitely biased against Zach and putting all the blame on him, none on the OL, WRs/TEs for not executing, and more importantly, none on MLF for not doing a better job with play design, play calling, and putting Zach in a position to succeed. I watched the first 3 clips, and saw that it was pointless to watch the rest because she was proceeding from the basis that it's all Zach's fault. I told her where I thought she was wrong and suggested that she watch Kurt Warner's YouTube analysis of Zach, MLF, and the troubles with the Jets' passing attack. I like Jets X-Factor, but I sometimes have a problem with them as they're all young, write as if they're experts, and I have no clue what any of their qualifications are. I generally agree with Michael Nania, but much less so with the others.
I agree. They said that they didn't want to take away his ability to create and play off schedule, yet that is exactly what the dumbasses are doing. Who gives a shit what their precious "schedule" is? They need to get over themselves before they ruin the best QB prospect the Jets have had in 50 years.
so Wilson needs to improve his footwork, reads, processing speed and confidence… basically everything needed for success at the highest level of his craft. BUT its the OL/Playcalling/WRs faults that he’s not seeing success haha
This is insanity. It's not fantasy football and winning is more important than anything else. Jesus fucking christ.
The thing most troubling to me, is that quote is by Zach's QB coach. So, he's getting the 'be scared, very scared' message drummed into his head constantly. It's no wonder he's playing in his head, scared. And a secondary effect, is that his receiving corps is/will be losing confidence in Zach, to make the tight throws, inevitably effecting their route-running too. This is such a big game for Zach, & the CS, to relax & let Zach be Zach, even if he makes a mistake. They didn't draft Zach to be a backup QB.
With the way both the OL and WRs have been playing, Zach may have lost confidence in them as well. He's running for his life on many plays, and his WRs appear not to be finishing routes and/or not running them correctly since 2 of them wind up in the same area, and they've dropped 4-5 TD passes. With both Davis and Hall out, things could be scary vs the Pats.
No it isn't this season. Developing Zach is the most important thing for this season. If Zach doesn't develop, they won't be winning a lot of games. Teams will shut down the rushing attack and the Jets won't be able to score with this offense. If Zach develops, the team will win a lot and won't have to play in this style. There's no need for the profanity. Have a nice life.
Zach is 18 games into his pro career. Most likely he's exactly where he should be at this point. Zach is starting his 2nd year in the league but people seem to think he should be further along. He has to learn the basics of playin within a system first before he can adlib successfully. Sure he can get lucky on occasion with the rollout/bomb but his timing and accuracy will come from repetition. Zach at this point has to master the basics of NFL QB. Some QB's learn faster than others. He'll never be the 400yd passing guy on a weekly basis as the system he's presently in doesn't lend itself in that direction. Maybe by year 3 or so, assuming MLF is still here Zach will have far more command of the system and his own talents. Right now, let the kid learn and grow from experience.
I think it more has to do with OLine than WRs, at least in the last game. The fact sophomore Zach is actually #6 relative to others when not pressured is very telling. Heck, Brady rode Tampa all the way to SB like this. But our OLine has been a revolving door. In the beginning we had Fant and Mitchell. Both were rated as some of the worst Tackles in NFL. Mitchell actually outperformed his expected level, but still at absolute level he wasn't great, and Tackle production has been atrocious - bottom 10% in NFL. Return of Brown and AVT moving to tackle helped, but interior got worse with Herbig compared to AVT. Again Herbig outperformed expected scrub level, but is still bottom 25% guard. Brown slipped in the last game, and I am worried his play is going to continue to decline because of his injured shoulder, which is no where near 100%. It is supposed to be surgically repaired, but was delayed so he can play this season. We had some scrub tackle I haven't heard of before play most of last game and starting against NE. Pro Bowler Laken is playing at the level of GVR and worse than LDT did last season. Out of the remaining OLine players who are not out of the year we have only McGovern perform at average or slight above average level. Others are bottom 10-20% in the NFL including Fant and Max, who at some point this season will hopefully be able to contribute. With Oline at poor level, I see these analysts saying Zack bailed too early or he should have made this 25 yard pass across his body while running running for his life and looked in the right place while under constant pressure with no time to breathe, etc, and to me this is utter poppycock. Zach doesn't trust the line and nor should he because it has been bad, particularly in the last game. I could see from the film with just slightly more time, Zach is looking at the guys who are about to get open. Be he can't make the play because pressure is coming split second before that and he has to run away . Also, Zach's strength is his huge arm - but long throws require good protection and a bit more time for the play to develop. He could get a ton of long completions and PIs, but has no chance to do so. All of this is very bad for a young QB and will cause him to develop bad habits down the line as well.
Herm said it best. You play to win the game. They don't care what fans want. They care about winning above all else.
Spot on! It's amazing how so many "analysts: downplay or even ignore the role of the shitty OL play when they talk about Zach's "poor" numbers. Again, MLF and Zach are going to need to figure out how to enable Zach to do better despite the shitty pass pro, but people shouldn't be expecting miracles.
Yeah, they are saying he should stand in the pocket until he gets drilled and then maybe someone will get open so may be able to release the pass a moment before getting hammered by a 300lb guy running at speed. This is OK if these plays are rare and at the right opportunity, like a TD or huge first down at a critical moment in the game. But he can't make a habit of this, and the number of times it happened, he would not last too long. Look, sure I wanted Zack to complete that pass on the first play of last game or even when he was pressured to flip the ball to Uzomah, so it's not like he had a great outing. But there were only few bad mistakes. Most problems were due to abysmal pass pro, and Zach was expected to bail everyone out. He did to some degree by not making TOs and avoiding most sacks, completing short passes, but there is only so much that can be expected when the guy is on the run all game and has no time. Btw, Oline didn't open many running lanes either. As Simms pointed out, aside from one Breece'sTD run, RBs didn't didn't really get too many good carries throughout the contest.
yeah I get the 18 games, but he has now been through h8s second offseason, so it’s not exactly the same. regardless, he’s done some things well, some not so well, he’s cleaned up his interceptions, but at the cost of such a conservative passing game that he’s not thrown a TD in three games and the last two games he topped out at like 120 yards. great that we won, I get that was our game plan, but now with Breece out he’s not going to have that home run threat at RB…more than just he’s speed, Hall has the vision to see where to cut. I like both Carter and Robinson, but neither are as good. regardless, Zach needs to continue to grow…I’ll revisit the stats at the end of the year where he’ll have like what 28 games under his belt…by that time we’ll have a pretty good idea of what he is…and I hope it’s better than 56% completion rate and 170 yards per game average if we want to be convinced he’s the franchise QB of the future. wins of course trump all that crap but we need to see concrete signs that he can do this at a high level…I’m tired of excuses about OL, about drops (which I think have a lot to do with his often bad ball placement), hard defenses, I’m tired of cherry picked stats like when he’s not pressured or whatever other slices we want to look at. Not saying those excuses aren’t real, not saying the cherry picked stats don’t matter, just saying that he’s going to have to deal with all of this all the time…this is the NFL…he’s going to have to play tough defenses, he’s going to have to deal with injured players, etc. great players show it pretty damn quick. Shoot, we saw Sauce and Breece both show they are special right away. There is NO question with either of them. We saw great signs from GW too right away…less so since Zach started, but still. looking at QBs, Burrow showed it right away…he had shit around him too but you could see he was really good quickly. Same with Lamar Jackson, but in a different way. Zach has had flashes..he’s been ok with some great moments that give you hope but he’s going to need to step it up… here hoping he can, and here’s hoping he shows it this week and beats NE
